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Post subject: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:11 am
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Hello there,

I've recently bought my first Fender Stratocaster: A 2016 Deluxe (MIM) with ash body and maple neck. The guitar came set up almost perfectly (had to raise the bridge for the E and A string a little, so it won't buzz too much).

I've had strat clones before, but what I've noticed with that new baby after playing for a bit on the couch: After having tuned the guitar sitting upright and then leaning back changes the pitch slightly. Seems like the weight of the neck alone is enough to change the string tension. It's not much, but I'm not used to that from the strat clone, I recently played most with. However, the latter's neck is way thicker than the one on the Fender and also a reason, for buying the real Stratocaster. The thinner neck is more comfortable and easier to play.

The other thing I've noticed is, that turning down the volume increases the hum noticably.

Is it both expected behavior?

And any recommendations for adding a treble bleed?

Any help is appreciated! :)

Have a beautiful weekend everyone!

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Bollie


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:51 am
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MrBollie wrote:
Hello there,

I've recently bought my first Fender Stratocaster: A 2016 Deluxe (MIM) with ash body and maple neck. The guitar came set up almost perfectly (had to raise the bridge for the E and A string a little, so it won't buzz too much).

Did you check neck bow before raise bridge ? It is the first thing to do

I've had strat clones before, but what I've noticed with that new baby after playing for a bit on the couch: After having tuned the guitar sitting upright and then leaning back changes the pitch slightly. Seems like the weight of the neck alone is enough to change the string tension. It's not much, but I'm not used to that from the strat clone, I recently played most with. However, the latter's neck is way thicker than the one on the Fender and also a reason, for buying the real Stratocaster. The thinner neck is more comfortable and easier to play.

Need a professional set-up

The other thing I've noticed is, that turning down the volume increases the hum noticably.

Is it both expected behavior?

And any recommendations for adding a treble bleed?

Any help is appreciated! :)

Have a beautiful weekend everyone!

Cheers
Bollie




Turning volume down should stop any noise/ hum not increase it.
Return the guitar to the store on warranty, it have may issues.

Why a treble bleed ?
Google treble bleed, images. You'll see lots of picture


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:52 am
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stratele52 wrote:
MrBollie wrote:
Hello there,

I've recently bought my first Fender Stratocaster: A 2016 Deluxe (MIM) with ash body and maple neck. The guitar came set up almost perfectly (had to raise the bridge for the E and A string a little, so it won't buzz too much).

Did you check neck bow before raise bridge ? It is the first thing to do

I've had strat clones before, but what I've noticed with that new baby after playing for a bit on the couch: After having tuned the guitar sitting upright and then leaning back changes the pitch slightly. Seems like the weight of the neck alone is enough to change the string tension. It's not much, but I'm not used to that from the strat clone, I recently played most with. However, the latter's neck is way thicker than the one on the Fender and also a reason, for buying the real Stratocaster. The thinner neck is more comfortable and easier to play.

Need a professional set-up

The other thing I've noticed is, that turning down the volume increases the hum noticably.

Is it both expected behavior?

And any recommendations for adding a treble bleed?

Any help is appreciated! :)

Have a beautiful weekend everyone!

Cheers
Bollie




Turning volume down should stop any noise/ hum not increase it.
Is you amp is working good ? Good house ground ?
Return the guitar to the store on warranty, it have many issues.

Why a treble bleed ?
Google treble bleed, images. You'll see lots of picture


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:06 am
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MrBollie wrote:
had to raise the bridge for the E and A string a little, so it won't buzz too much


Did you raise the bridge by turning the big, slot head mounting screws?
If so, I hope you didn't do it under string and spring tension, because that's the quickest way to ruin the knife edge points on the front edge of the bridge, and also the mounting screws themselves.

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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:13 am
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stratmangler wrote:
MrBollie wrote:
had to raise the bridge for the E and A string a little, so it won't buzz too much


Did you raise the bridge by turning the big, slot head mounting screws?
If so, I hope you didn't do it under string and spring tension, because that's the quickest way to ruin the knife edge points on the front edge of the bridge, and also the mounting screws themselves.


+1

Assuming the neck relief is correct, string height is adjusted via the individual saddles, NOT by raising or lowering the entire bridge.

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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:29 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Why a treble bleed ?
Google treble bleed, images. You'll see lots of picture


Yeah, I've also installed a treble bleed to three guitars in the past and I do know how to do that. However, specific pickups and/or specific circuits need different values for the capacitor and resistor. Thus I'm asking this to see if anyone has dealt with treble bleeds on the vintage noiseless pickups, perhaps even with this specific guitar and perhaps has a few recommendations regarding capacitor/resistor values. I know it involves a bit of testing, but a starting point would be very welcome.


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:31 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
stratmangler wrote:

Did you raise the bridge by turning the big, slot head mounting screws?
If so, I hope you didn't do it under string and spring tension, because that's the quickest way to ruin the knife edge points on the front edge of the bridge, and also the mounting screws themselves.


+1

Assuming the neck relief is correct, string height is adjusted via the individual saddles, NOT by raising or lowering the entire bridge.

Arjay


Whoops, sorry. Of course, I first tuned the strings down until they were rather floppy and ONLY adjusted the saddles of the deep E and A string. ;)


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:36 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
stratmangler wrote:
MrBollie wrote:
had to raise the bridge for the E and A string a little, so it won't buzz too much



Assuming the neck relief is correct, string height is adjusted via the individual saddles, NOT by raising or lowering the entire bridge.

Arjay


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:41 am
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MrBollie wrote:


Yeah, I've also installed a treble bleed to three guitars in the past and I do know how to do that. However, specific pickups and/or specific circuits need different values for the capacitor and resistor. Thus I'm asking this to see if anyone has dealt with treble bleeds on the vintage noiseless pickups, perhaps even with this specific guitar and perhaps has a few recommendations regarding capacitor/resistor values. I know it involves a bit of testing, but a starting point would be very welcome.


It help what you write, to know more what you are looking for.
I can't help you :(


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:44 am
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Ok, guys. I beg your pardon. Guess I'm a bit oversensitive regarding this new guitar. I mentioned in my initial post, that tilting the guitar to the back or front changes the pitch of all strings and that it doesn't seem to happen to that extent on my strat copy. Well, I've found out, that it's not because of the weight of the neck, but because of the tremolo system. And I presume, that my strat clone isn't as prone to that, because it's got .010 strings and an additional spring attached to the tremolo. The Fender has still .009 on it. So yeah, still learning. ;)

So, that reduced the issues to two things:
- Which treble bleed?
- Humming when turning down the volume. ;)


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:52 am
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MrBollie wrote:

- Humming when turning down the volume. ;)


Look a ground / wiring issue; from the guitar or wire to the amp or from your amp . Is the amp is quiet when nothing plug on it ?
Turning volume down should stop any noise/ hum coming from the guitar not increase it.
Return the guitar to the store on warranty,


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:56 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Return the guitar to the store on warranty,


+1

With noiseless pickups, that guitar should be as quiet as a church mouse under any condition.

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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 5:01 am
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MrBollie,

Volume pot turn to 0 send all guitar sounds ( music, hum , noise ,,,) to ground. You must not hear any sound, hum... nothing in your amp.

If volume pot or guitar wiring do their job. We do not know !

Amp must be quiet too. Check If amp make noise as I write before.


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:22 am
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For one thing, guitars (including trem-equipped Strats) should keep their tuning regardless of the position they're held (or played) in (read that: well enough to be played in tune). So I agree with the above mentioned 'in need of a professional [level] setup'.

Second, play the guitar for a while before any wiring mods and see if you even need a treble bleed - or something like that.
Plus, the vintage noiselesses have gotten criticism of being bland, they might not benefit at all from a treble bleed.

The hum problem: awaits for feedback from MrB.


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Post subject: Re: Neck and noiseless pickups on the 2016 Deluxe Strat
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:13 am
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Hi MrBollie, and welcome to the forums.

Any guitar will exhibit some change in pitch when laid flat, it's to do with gravity. When laid flat the pitch will rise slightly, and return to pitch when held in the upright playing position, this is normal.

The volume exhibiting some hum when slightly lowered is also normal.

I have no experience with a treble bleed, so I'll let someone else recommend something for you on that.

Good luck, and happy playing.


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