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Post subject: Jimmie Vaughan Strat laminate body?
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:45 am
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I'm looking for a back up for my main Strat and I like the JV but... I've heard scare stories about the bodies being some sort of pancake deal. Can anyone please clue me up? Are there good/bad years for that model? Thanks.


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Post subject: Re: Jimmie Vaughan Strat laminate body?
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:29 pm
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AFAIK all of the JV Strats have three- or five-piece bodies fabricated of alder, just like most Strats. No veneers.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmie Vaughan Strat laminate body?
Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:10 pm
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Thanks man, that's good news. Anybody that owns one that wants to chip in regarding tone, fit & finish etc..?


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Post subject: Re: Jimmie Vaughan Strat laminate body?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:11 am
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Many Mexican Fender bodies were made of several blocks glued together and sandwiched between two thin sheets.
The JLVs were definitely made in this way. The sunbursts were sprayed black on the tummy cut to hide the join. Apparently Fender stopped using this method of construction around 2012.
I own a 2011 sunburst which looks to be one piece judging by the wood grain.
Not keen on the Tex Mex pickups, replaced them with Fender 57/62 pickups so it looks and sounds like a '57 AVRI (only dreaming!). The body is virtually a Mexican Standard, neck is very nice soft v, bridge is the American Vintage and tuners are Gotoh vintage. I keep gassing for a real '57 avri nitro body to complete the ensemble.


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Post subject: Re: Jimmie Vaughan Strat laminate body?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:00 am
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64Galaxie wrote:
Many Mexican Fender bodies were made of several blocks glued together and sandwiched between two thin sheets.


This occurred only in the late '90s when there was a shortage of alder. Poplar was substituted but because this wood has greenish tinge (visible under a sunburst finish), alder veneers front and back were used on bodies so painted. Those guitars destined for solid, opaque colors did not receive the alder veneers.

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The sunbursts were sprayed black on the tummy cut to hide the join.


Correct. The veneered backs were concealed using that blacked-out technique.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmie Vaughan Strat laminate body?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:13 am
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Great responses folks, thanks. So in theory, I should be able to buy a model from the last couple of years and the body should be 3/5 piece Alder (fairly standard for Mexican Strats)?


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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:43 am
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Just an opinion: one-piece, two-pieces, three pieces (etc.), or X piece veneered (anyone remember FMT's and QMT's...) doesn't make or break a guitar.
Of course, if the player knows what is under the paint, it may affect the 'vibes' and thus his/her/its musical output. :wink:

But yes, "the other Vaughan" MIM Strats are alder bodied, and you can safely presume there are 'more than two but less than seven' pieces.


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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:47 am
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A fair comment, I just like to know what's under the hood before I buy. I'd bring home a guitar made of duck feathers if it sounded good.


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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:41 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Poplar was substituted but because this wood has greenish tinge (visible under a sunburst finish)

Poplar can have many colors. Whitish wood, dark brown and grey are also common. Neither would match Alder well.

Less common, but beautiful is iridescent rainbow poplar, which changes color depending on the angle of view. It dings easily, and isn't much of a tonewood, but can be used as a veneer.

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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 5:56 am
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Somewhere on the internet is an image supposedly taken in Ensenada of quite a large stack of laminated body blanks with a bare left arm + wristwatch on top of them :mrgreen: :lol: .
They are all at least 5 piece cores with top and bottom single sheets. The wood color would suggest alder as the blocks are light to dark red-brown.

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Found this one though, label would suggest it was 2006 maybe?
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:48 am
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arth1 wrote:
isn't much of a tonewood

I respectfully disagree.
Poplar has been used in quite a few high class instruments, including Fenders:
viewtopic.php?t=40648


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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:52 pm
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jmattis wrote:
arth1 wrote:
isn't much of a tonewood

I respectfully disagree.
Poplar has been used in quite a few high class instruments, including Fenders:
viewtopic.php?t=40648

So has aluminium, without it being called a tonewood.
Sure, you can use poplar, but like linden it's not a very resonant wood, which is what I meant by tonewood. Knock on planks of different woods, and you'll hear a difference.


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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 1:51 pm
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jmattis wrote:
arth1 wrote:
isn't much of a tonewood

I respectfully disagree.
Poplar has been used in quite a few high class instruments, including Fenders:
viewtopic.php?t=40648


+1

Leo thought so as well. His Duo-Sonic and Mustang designs featured a poplar body.

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Post subject: Re: Jimmie Vaughan Strat laminate body?
Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:28 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Sure, you can use poplar, but like linden it's not a very resonant wood, which is what I meant by tonewood.

Linden (aka basswood) has also been used in high quality instruments, regardless of knock test results. Just like almost any wood(/other material) imaginable.

But I get a déjà-vu/vision combination of a couple hundred forum pages in the past and future at the same time, discussing/arguing/proving the tonewood doctrine and its effect on electric guitar sound both right and wrong at the same time...

Let's not go there.


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Post subject: Re: Jimmie Vaughan Strat laminate body?
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:49 am
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Basswood like mahogany can be any of several different wood species.
Chinese Squiers et al use tilia chinensis which is not considered as good as American basswood, tilia americana. They are all species of lime tree.
Godin use the American basswood extensively on some not so cheap guitars.


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