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Post subject: Re: Haven't seen one of these for awhile...
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:17 am
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The beauty of the Stratocaster is its simplicity and purity of design. If you want something different then get something different.

It's not a case of not being able to use a feature it's more a case of have no desire what so ever to have anything to do with that feature. It is as ugly as sin and addresses a perceived problem I don't have in the first place.

Snake oil... yada yada.


"Holy 'different strokes for different folks', Batman. The simplicity of the Stratocaster morphed into the various themes and variations we've seen across the past 60 years not only because Leo and company were constantly seeking to improve the design but because players made it known that they wanted something different on the same platform and. in fact, were doing the mods themselves. The electronics configurations and trem pictured above are precisely the kinds of changes that were being swapped into stock guitars. My first Strat was a '58, purchased from a band mate of mine when he purchased a Jaguar the year it was introduced. However, the six guitars in my herd are all different from that one: 2 Claptons '87, '89 [the '87 a pre-production model], an '89 Strat Plus, 'an '08 Gilmour, an '08 VG Deluxe, and 60th Anniversary '54. [1 of '54].


As for juggling gorilla turds........... :roll: I would suggest that you don't knock it until you've tried it. You just might be pleasantly surprised. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Haven't seen one of these for awhile...
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:25 am
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Suggest away, Doc.

But a turd is a turd is a turd is a turd.

Why don't you try drying a few in the sun, grinding them into powder, then sprinkling them on an arugula-and-dandelion salad?

You *might* just be pleasantly surprised.

(might......but I highly doubt it).

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Bon appetite!

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Post subject: Re: Haven't seen one of these for awhile...
Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:38 am
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Suggest away, Doc.

But a turd is a turd is a turd is a turd.

Why don't you try drying a few in the sun, grinding them into powder, then sprinkling them on an arugula-and-dandelion salad?

You *might* just be pleasantly surprised.

(might......but I highly doubt it).

:P

Bon appetite!

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Had a bad experience with that, did you?? :wink:

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:40 am
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Not at all. I just know instinctively what a turd is and why it should be avoided.

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Not at all. I just know instinctively what a turd is and why it should be avoided.:roll:
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That's what I thought about soft boiled eggs, squash, and spinach when I was a young'un. Still don't care for squash. :x

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:12 am
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Of boiled eggs I'm neither hot nor cold.

Fresh spinach is great in a tossed green salad.

Squash......an absurd waste of otherwise perfectly arable farmland.

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Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:50 am
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Of boiled eggs I'm neither hot nor cold. Fresh spinach is great in a tossed green salad. Squash......an absurd waste of otherwise perfectly arable farmland. Arjay


Ditto on the fresh spinach. But it was not salad spinach. It was Popeye out of the can style. l am from that 'son's of the Great Generation era' for whom frozen foods were in their infancy.

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Fresh, raw, crunchy turnips, good.
Cooked and mashed turnips, yuck.

Fresh, raw, crunchy cabbage, good.
Cooked cabbage of any kind, yuck.
Cabbage rolls, yuck. Brussels sprouts, yuck. Boiled cabbage, yuck, yuck, puke, cough, choke.

Fresh baby spinach instead of lettuce in a salad, yum.
Cooked or canned spinach, disgusting.

Strats with single coils, yum.
Strats with humbuckers, yum.
Strats with float, yum.
Strats blocked or hard tailed, yum.
All Strats .... yum.

One man's food is another man's poison.

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Post subject: Re: Haven't seen one of these for awhile...
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:15 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
Fresh, raw, crunchy turnips, good.
Cooked and mashed turnips, yuck.

Fresh, raw, crunchy cabbage, good.
Cooked cabbage of any kind, yuck.
Cabbage rolls, yuck. Brussels sprouts, yuck. Boiled cabbage, yuck, yuck, puke, cough, choke.

Fresh baby spinach instead of lettuce in a salad, yum.
Cooked or canned spinach, disgusting.

Strats with single coils, yum.
Strats with humbuckers, yum.
Strats with float, yum.
Strats blocked or hard tailed, yum.
All Strats .... yum.

One man's food is another man's poison.
Absolutely on all accounts! I've never tasted a Strat with humbuckers, but I'm sure it's good. I'm getting hungry now and looking for a fresh spinach salad with La Martinique dressing. :)


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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:10 pm
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[quote="LawFlow]Absolutely on all accounts! I've never tasted a Strat with humbuckers, but I'm sure it's good.[/quote]

On that score I've told this tale often in the Forums. Thinking back to the fall holiday season at a Sam Ash, in Carle Place, NY. [A town on Long Island]. I had my hands on one of several Strats which were fitted with Lace Sensor Red Duallys. These were definitely factory originated. In my later learnings, I can only assume that these were FSR's which the company ordered. It was not long after that Sam Ash offered what was called 'The 48th Street Strat', after which Fender produced 'The Fat Strat'. which had bridge and neck humbuckers. In conversations with one of the Ash family several years ago, they had no memory of that early guitar of which I spoke, nor did FMIC, and Fender is know for being unreliable with respect to preserving its records. But had it in my hands and, had it not been such weird departure from SSS, would hardly have remembered the event. I found the idea of an HH configuration hard to reconcile yet Robbie Robertson had the same issues with the middle S pickup that I've always had, which why he created the bridge configuration we are all familiar with. In the final analysis, the pluses of the ergonomics of the Strat body with the flexibility of choosing a pair of humbuckers that suit your ear can be enticing. Unfortunately the option is a significant departure from the purist point of view.

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Post subject: Re: Haven't seen one of these for awhile...
Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:30 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
Fresh, raw, crunchy turnips, good.
Cooked and mashed turnips, yuck.

Fresh, raw, crunchy cabbage, good.
Cooked cabbage of any kind, yuck.
Cabbage rolls, yuck. Brussels sprouts, yuck. Boiled cabbage, yuck, yuck, puke, cough, choke.

Fresh baby spinach instead of lettuce in a salad, yum.
Cooked or canned spinach, disgusting.

I'm your opposite in that. I absolutely love boiled cabbage (Irish food FTW!) and how can you eat bangers without mashed neeps? Don't give me raw plant life - I'm not a ruminant.
A cow is a device that transforms inedible plants into edible muscle tissue.
But I won't deny you your pleasure - hurry up and eat your dinner before it wilts.

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Strats with single coils, yum.
Strats with humbuckers, yum.
Strats with float, yum.
Strats blocked or hard tailed, yum.
All Strats .... yum.

A Stratocaster shape is a beauty, but if I want a metal shredding multi-humbucker axe, I'll play a metal shredding multi-humbucker axe that was made for that purpose, and preferably also with a shorter scale lenght, a much flatter radius and 24 frets.


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Post subject: Re: Haven't seen one of these for awhile...
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:45 am
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arth1 wrote:

...A Stratocaster shape is a beauty, but if I want a metal shredding multi-humbucker axe, I'll play a metal shredding multi-humbucker axe that was made for that purpose...


Exactly. If you want to shred buy a shredder.

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Post subject: Re: Haven't seen one of these for awhile...
Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:29 am
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This is so much fun - old men (no insults intended, I'm one myself) grasping to good ole days, being sure that is the only right way and that all other opinions are wrong... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I confess, I had my HM Strat, every possible pedal, high gain amp period, but with age (note: I do not write wisdom) I'm more and more leaning towards simplicity - basic Strat (/Tele), tubes, maybe slight reverb.

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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:50 am
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But does having a Floyd mean you must be a shredder? I played all sorts of stuff on my Ibanez RG and just appreciated the always-accurate return-to- pitch of the double-locking trem. Much the same as a Kahler-equipped Peavey I had. I'm fine with it, but with the best will (and setup) in the world, a floating Strat trem is never going to be QUITE as accurate - it's a matter of design. My Strats have locking tuners, which help, of course...

In fact, although I do have a few quick runs and that, I'm not technically capable of Yngwie/Vai/Gilbert-type playing! And I don't personally hanker after a Floyd-equipped Strat at this stage in my 'career'!

John, I'm not intending any personal offence here. It's just a discussion!

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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:26 am
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John, I'm not intending any personal offence here. It's just a discussion!

Cheers - Peter.


Dude! None taken what so ever. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I enjoy the banter.

I do get annoyed being told I don't like something just because I don't have the skill to appreciate it but otherwise all views are valid ....They are wrong, but none the less valid views :wink:

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