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Post subject: Strat 1972 body, original?
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:29 pm
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Hi,
I've got a Fender Stratocaster sunburst hardtail 1972, I checked the neck and it has the serial number but I couldn't find it in the body. I only see an stamp of "INCA" in the body.

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Do you know if there is another way to identify it? or to check that?
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:27 pm
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 3:35 pm
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It looks authentic to me.

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 5:36 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
It looks authentic to me.

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+1...Except the saddles look like they have been changed, look too new!

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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:22 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
It looks authentic to me.

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+1...Except the saddles look like they have been changed, look too new!

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Yeah, the saddles should be that cheap Mazac crap. Those on there now are definitely an upgrade.

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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:28 am
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Thanks for all the replies!
I've got the original saddles, it is good to see that is original 72'
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:28 pm
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Mfr1711 wrote:
Thanks for all the replies!
I've got the original saddles, it is good to see that is original 72'
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Indeed so. Not a vintage year in Strat production but, what the heck, still very cool.

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John Sims wrote:
Indeed so. Not a vintage year in Strat production but, what the heck, still very cool.


Forty-five years old doesn't qualify as "vintage"?

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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:40 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Forty-five years old doesn't qualify as "vintage"?

(US only - other countries may have different rules or customs.)
Legally, anything from a specific year can be called vintage, even if it's 2014 vintage. But in practice, vintage is used for older than 25 or 50 years, depending on the item.
For a guitar, 25+ seems reasonable, but I would not call a 1980s Zippo lighter "vintage". Not yet.

Contrast that to antique, which has a legal definition of at least 100 years old. You can get charged with fraud in a private lawsuit for attempting to pass something less than 100 years old as an antique, or charged with a federal crime if you evaded import tax or ATF regulations by doing it.

Collectible is another moniker one should be careful with. Describing an item as collectible automatically raises the capital gains tax to near 30%, while it typically is around half that, depending on your tax status. If you buy a guitar and sell it for twice as much, whether it's quickly or decades later, make sure you can document that you played it as a musician, and don't describe it in an ad as collectible. Just in case you ever get hit with a random audit.


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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:49 am
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I was looking at "Vintage" as you would describe wine, compared to just being old. Perhaps, because of the ambiguity, "Classic" might have been less confusing?

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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:16 am
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John Sims wrote:
I was looking at "Vintage" as you would describe wine, compared to just being old. Perhaps, because of the ambiguity, "Classic" might have been less confusing?

"Classic" is often used for new products made the same way or to the same appearance as an old product.

How about "older" if you want to avoid naming years or decades? Or specify an era, like "early CBS era"?


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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:54 am
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One language with so many meanings.

If you consider a Vintage wine it may well only be different by a year (either way) to a non vintage wine, but was a particularly good crop, fermentation etc. In such terms "Vintage" and number of years are irrelevant.

As you note "Classic" as a meaning has been eroded by it's use as a marketing term and model designation so perhaps "Classic" in guitar terms is a poor choice.

What I was politely trying to say is it is a very nice guitar, of some age, but perhaps not as sought after as models a little older (pre CBS) or perhaps more recent (early post CBS.) All that said I believe guitar addict Joe Bonemassa has one (at least) in his extensive collection of guitar exotica so there are good ones to be found.

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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:20 am
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John Sims wrote:
What I was politely trying to say is it is a very nice guitar, of some age, but perhaps not as sought after as models a little older (pre CBS) or perhaps more recent (early post CBS.) All that said I believe guitar addict Joe Bonemassa has one (at least) in his extensive collection of guitar exotica so there are good ones to be found.

Yep, and in my experience, the early CBS guitars can vary quite a bit in quality. Some can be really good. Part of that is wood of varying quality, and part of it is QC perhaps not being as strict, which (as the bell curve widens) leads to more of both bad ones and good ones. And it tends to be the good ones that stand the test of time.
So you certainly can find good early 70s Fender guitars.


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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:46 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
"Collectible" is another moniker one should be careful with. Describing an item as collectible automatically raises the capital gains tax to near 30%, while it typically is around half that, depending on your tax status. If you buy a guitar and sell it for twice as much, whether it's quickly or decades later, make sure you can document that you played it as a musician, and don't describe it in an ad as collectible. Just in case you ever get hit with a random audit.

Unless you are a dealer where a significant amount of income comes from selling guitars and/or other items, I can't imagine why anyone would even consider reporting the "capital gain" from selling a guitar on their taxes. For me, unless the guitar sold for north of $10K, I would not even consider reporting it. And even then, I am sure I would find a way around it.

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