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Post subject: Re: MiM's - Get them while they are cheap?
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:01 pm
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Korea does pretty well too.
My Korean, Cort-made KoaTopStrat (depicted in my tagline pic) has stumped me at finding something wrong with it, other than stock pickups that I hated.


I thought Eilleen lived in Switzerland.
She's in the States now?

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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 1:05 pm
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Korea does pretty well too.
My Korean, Cort-made KoaTopStrat (depicted in my tagline pic) has stumped me at finding something wrong with it, other than stock pickups that I hated.


I thought Eilleen lived in Switzerland.
She's in the States now?
I agree with you, Matt. Korea is much like Japan with their history of product and technological advancement, and I'm guessing their environmental considerations, but, likely to a lesser extent. I have had the pleasure of trying some Korean axes. All are not equal, and still some are very good indeed. :D
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Post subject: Re: MiM's - Get them while they are cheap?
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:50 pm
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Korea has a history of family run businesses. When you know your grandchildren will inherit and depend on the business as you make it today, you have an incentive to deliver quality. It takes much longer to build a good reputation than to tear it down.

Modern day China is very different, with factories and companies appearing and disappearing in the blink of an eye, and focus being on short term profit.


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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:25 pm
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People get sniffy about Korean products until you consider the biggest competitor to the iPhone is Samsung.

And I agree that the buiness ethic of current China is extremely poor. The standard approach in Western marketing of inovative mechanical products is to sell as many as you can until they are ripped off by China, and under cut, and then move on to something else. They are yet to produce/rip off a credible car yet but when they do...

With a can of beer costing 1p to ship from China they are now sending Scots salmon to China to be filleted and shipped back to Scotland because it is cheaper to do that than fillet it locally.

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Post subject: Re: MiM's - Get them while they are cheap?
Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:27 pm
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Korea has a history of family run businesses. When you know your grandchildren will inherit and depend on the business as you make it today, you have an incentive to deliver quality. It takes much longer to build a good reputation than to tear it down.

Modern day China is very different, with factories and companies appearing and disappearing in the blink of an eye, and focus being on short term profit.


+1000 on BOTH counts!

When Leo owned the company that now bears his surname, nothing ever shipped from Fullerton's loading dock that wasn't 100% ready to rock. And his desire for profit never eclipsed his personal integrity as a businessman.

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Post subject: Re: MiM's - Get them while they are cheap?
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:24 am
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Well said, Arjay.

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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:46 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Korea has a history of family run businesses. When you know your grandchildren will inherit and depend on the business as you make it today, you have an incentive to deliver quality. It takes much longer to build a good reputation than to tear it down.

Modern day China is very different, with factories and companies appearing and disappearing in the blink of an eye, and focus being on short term profit.


+1000 on BOTH counts!

When Leo owned the company that now bears his surname, nothing ever shipped from Fullerton's loading dock that wasn't 100% ready to rock. And his desire for profit never eclipsed his personal integrity as a businessman.

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You said a truism in my book, and that's the way a business model should be run, but not in today's world for the most part
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Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:06 pm
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So much truth precedes this post.

Supply and demand has, in many ways, become one of, "Presto changeo! Drop the present, grab the new whether it's better or not, ready of not, with merit or not", and with the demand be prepared to embrace mediocrity. If it doesn't apply or you're not on the program it will not matter because the norm will present itself to you sooner than later. How convenient for the providers. The world is ready to drop the goods at your door. Mexico's there, Korea and Japan are there, China's there, the U.K.'s there, the U.S. and Canada are there, and so is everyone else.

Yep! The times have changed. Today we are programmed to accept business practices that we would not have in the past. Shoddy R&D is passed on for human consumption with customers who open their wallets to participate with little opposition because everybody does it. It's a thing.

Leo did his best to always be one step ahead in the prevention of such a practice. I hate to think that Leo would fall into the same trap that others accept. I believe his preference would have been compromised eventually. It is our willing membership that maps the direction of markets as they are today. Thankfully, whatever drives the market, Fender has survived throughout. The rest is history. :wink:
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Post subject: Re: MiM's - Get them while they are cheap?
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:34 pm
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Thankfully, whatever drives the market, Fender has survived throughout. The rest is history.


I do not share your optimism. For every dollar that I spend on something that wears the Fender logo, 95¢ of that dollar goes for gear they made forty or fifty years ago. And forty or fifty years from right now, that gear will still be doing the job for which it was designed. I cannot in good conscience say the same for their products built today with any degree of certainty.

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Post subject: Re: MiM's - Get them while they are cheap?
Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:54 pm
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No argument there, Arjay, and maybe that is true in even a shorter period. That being said I referred to history, who knows about the future? Only the Shadow knows :wink:
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Post subject: Re: MiM's - Get them while they are cheap?
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:24 am
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Arjay is indeed a great guru. I decry the cheap, throw away mentally of today's consumers. So little has any lasting value as what you bought cheap last year in now half the price this year or replaced with something which costs less, but is supposedly better.

Back in the day things had value. They were expensive to buy but we're treasured and handed down. In this day things seldom last 10 years before becoming land fill.

We moan about global warming but bask in the pleasure of new, better, cheaper with extra features. People look at our 20 year old V8 Land Rover and think it is killing the planet. In reality it's carbon foot print is a fraction of the 6 cars that have been built and they bought over the same period.

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Post subject: Re: MiM's - Get them while they are cheap?
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What an awesome point, John.

I feel the same way about ethanol blended fuels.
Maybe it does burn cleaner.
The question in my mind is ... how much carbon was released to atmosphere in the making of the ethanol?
You drive the grain truck to the elevator to buy the seed grain.
You use an auger to get it from the truck into the granary.
You run the tractor to cultivate the fields.
You run the tractor to sow the seed grain.
You run the tractor to spray the ferltilizer.
You run the tractor to spray the pesticides.
You run the tractor to spray the herbicides.
You run the combine to harvest the grain.
You run the auger to load the granery.
You run the grain truck to deliver the grain to the elevator.
You run a train to deliver the grain to the processing plant.
You run an auger to get the grain into the hoppers.

All that before you even start to use God only knows how much energy to process the grain into ethanol.
Then you still have to pump the product into storage, pump into trucks or trains to get it to the refinery, pump into storage and then pump into the processing equipment.

And for what?
A fuel additive that raises the octane rating but at the cost of power because the ethanol doesn't make as much power as gasoline so your vehicle's fuel economy goes down.
It's a great deal for the oil companies.
They get to sell lots of diesel.
It's great for the grain companies.
They get to sell lots of grain.
Good for the environment?
Not so much.
Good for the consumer?
Not so much.

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Post subject: Re: MiM's - Get them while they are cheap?
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:22 am
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Good for the consumer?
Not so much.


At least your car needn't worry about ingesting carcinogenic GMO's.

:mrgreen:

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Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:03 pm
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I'm not even going to get started on the downsides of alternative
non-environmental use of Hydro electricity and the managing of batteries before and after in regards to electric cars.

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Electric guitars are much better and less demanding on the power grid in the long run. IMHO :wink:

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Post subject: Re: MiM's - Get them while they are cheap?
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:39 pm
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Electric guitars are much better and less demanding on the power grid in the long run. IMHO

If your amp isn't on, playing an electric guitar generates electricity.
Now if the amp or pedal could store that energy... :wink:


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