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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:44 am
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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:04 am
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The thing that bugs me the most here is that a very fine instrument suffers from bad seller conduct.
There are Vintage White AmDlx Strats, claimed to come from years when that color wasn't on the Fender menu for this series - here's just one example, pearloided, abaloned and all: 2007 AmDlx on reverb.com

Damnation, I'll lose some sleep till we get a Fender answer to the serial.

@John C; Your statement that "there will be no American Deluxes with a "US16" serial number" vs. the age old Fender policy to use whatever is left on the shelf...
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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:14 am
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It's quite possibly a Deluxe V neck in Honey Blonde. The neck pocket stamps may help with identification.
Originally would have had metallic copper pickguard and trem cover. Definitely pre-2010.
The serial could start with DZ6


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 11:07 am
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The thing that bugs me the most here is that a very fine instrument suffers from bad seller conduct.
There are Vintage White AmDlx Strats, claimed to come from years when that color wasn't on the Fender menu for this series - here's just one example, pearloided, abaloned and all: 2007 AmDlx on reverb.com

Damnation, I'll lose some sleep till we get a Fender answer to the serial.

@John C; Your statement that "there will be no American Deluxes with a "US16" serial number" vs. the age old Fender policy to use whatever is left on the shelf...
Oddballs, guitars that shouldn't exist, unsolved mysteries, twilight zone, conspiracies.
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True, but Fender did stop production on American Deluxes in September/October of 2015, and didn't begin to use "US16" decals until February 2016. I know with Fender you can "never say never", but in this case I it's highly unlikely that there were any 2016 American Deluxes - particularly since dealers couldn't even order them after October 2015.

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It's quite possibly a Deluxe V neck in Honey Blonde. The neck pocket stamps may help with identification.
Originally would have had metallic copper pickguard and trem cover. Definitely pre-2010.
The serial could start with DZ6


I completely forgot about those - double bad on me because I had a 2004 American Deluxe V-neck in Candy Apple Red - and was thinking only of them being CAR and black. :oops: Honey blonde could have been confused with vintage white.

The key is going to be if it has SCN pickups - if so, then the pickguard/backplate were changed - unless Fender made that change themselves along the way (I wish they still had the old Frontlines up on the website; you can only go back to 2012 now). If it has N3s then the entire pickguard assembly was changed to a later version.


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:43 pm
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Maybe the vendor does not really know what he has so we could give him the benefit of the doubt till the dust settles but I would still want more details.
Currently the add now mentions something from the custom shop which is just plain wrong.
To me the guitar looks legit just older than thought that 2007 vintage white link looks really close.
The v neck spoken about had a real tint to the neck which I am not seeing in the pics for this one.. :D


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:42 am
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There are likely other anomalies, such as the info in the catalogs/ads that existed before products were actually made, then changes occurred and documentation/catalogs/ads were not changed, or were just plain wrong to begin with.

Maybe Fender does this on purpose to add to the mystique. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:28 am
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There are likely other anomalies, such as the info in the catalogs/ads that existed before products were actually made, then changes occurred and documentation/catalogs/ads were not changed, or were just plain wrong to begin with.

Maybe Fender does this on purpose to add to the mystique. :idea:


+1

Another ancillary reason might be that the marketing staff are not as fluent in "guitar" as the production staff and they misinterpret what they're told as the catalogs are being prepared.

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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:05 pm
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Definitely. That could explain the "American Vintage 70s" Strat being labeled as a "Reissue" only in the catalog, and not the actual product nomenclature. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 4:35 pm
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Definitely. That could explain the "American Vintage 70s" Strat being labeled as a "Reissue" only in the catalog, and not the actual product nomenclature. :roll:


Indeed.

I always wondered about that myself. Perhaps Fender chose to apply the designation generically since they (to my knowledge) never re-issued any year-specific Strats from the '70s. A lot of players are unaware of the individual nuances, choosing to identify every '70s model with an ash body, a pot-metal bridge, a deep U neck, and the large headstock as "just another CBS Strat".

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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:59 am
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Thought the op might like this link to another guitar that is very close to what he is looking for. Seems to me to be more original than what he is looking at from the pawn shop.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Fender-American-Deluxe-Stratocaster-HSS-Electric-Guitar-Olympic-Pearl-USA-/122303707305?hash=item1c79de78a9:g:MwEAAOSw-0xYcqy0


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:21 pm
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Thought the op might like this link to another guitar that is very close to what he is looking for. Seems to me to be more original than what he is looking at from the pawn shop.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2008-Fender-American-Deluxe-Stratocaster-HSS-Electric-Guitar-Olympic-Pearl-USA-/122303707305?hash=item1c79de78a9:g:MwEAAOSw-0xYcqy0


Was the Am Deluxe using a screw in arm at the time?
I have a tip on the arm of my Am Deluxe, but that's because I fitted it myself, and it's the pop in arm.
I've also bent the arm in a vice so it works for me with a floating, tail up bridge.

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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:47 pm
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Definitely pop in for ages before this. The owner may have done just that i.e. put a white tip on a pop in arm.
There are plenty of good strats out there for a grand and some in even better condition than that ebay one. :D


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:56 pm
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I'm not surprised that someone else did the tip thing, as I just felt a bit lost without it, and I didn't think I was that much of an oddball.
I use my little finger on the bar and move away from bridge until my little it reaches the tip. Then I curl little and ring finger and use the bar.

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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:24 pm
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The pawn shop posted Fender's answer to them:
Pap Paw's Pawn & Jewelry wrote:
FSR American Deluxe Stratocaster.
Model Number 010-1202-(741)
MSRP $1714.27
Series: American Deluxe Series
Introduced in 2007 for Musician's Friend
Unique Features: S-1 Switching, Aged Plastic Parts, Abalone Dot Position Inlays, Highly Detailed Fret and Nut Work.
Body: Select Alder
Neck: Maple, Modern "C" Shape, (Satin Polyurethane Finish)
Colors: (741) Vintage White


As my personal opinion, the 1000$ price tag is slightly on the high side. The 800$ COD that was mentioned on page 2 might be closer, especially since the plastics upgrade (aged to pearloid) suggests that the electronics may be modded.
But, it's a beauty and will surely play nice - after a setup.


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:47 pm
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Thanks for posting the new info...I was in the process of doing the same and saw the entry. Pardon my newbie ignorance, is FSR--Fender Special Run? Does this give any indication of the year. He posted the year Fender started making them, but didn't mention the year on this one. At least I couldn't tell.

Thanks...also thanks to an earlier post to a Strat on E-Bay. I'm looking, but learning and taking my time. I know something will come along. (I'm still thinking about offering $800 to the seller. The most he can do is kick me out, right.)

Thanks folks for bearing with me.


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