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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:13 pm
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I've tried working with him for a reduction due to missing items, he won't budge and he won't give me the serial number over the phone. Told me he was too busy and hung up on me. As he said in his CL list $1000 Firm!

If it is still there next week I will go in with cash in hand and see if that will move him, will start at $800 just to see what happens. I will get the serial number then. If it's not there, then it wasn't meant to be.

I had thought about it possibly being stolen since he doesn't have any accessories.

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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:22 pm
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Hey there don't forget you have the cash he's trying to move the guitar.
I may be mistaken but those pickups look more like SCNs than N3 s which were introduced around 2010.
So it is not an elite and it may be a lot older than he thinks.
I presume you have checked out the serialisation scheme and are able to tell the year from the serial when you see it.
Strange he cannot give you the serial since you are a potential buyer and should have all the facts.
For that price you can get a better deluxe with case etc if you shop around.
Make sure before/if you buy that the pickups work well in all positions with the S1. :D


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:35 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:

Strange he cannot give you the serial since you are a potential buyer and should have all the facts.
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I will not buy it .
First seller said it is a Elite, he lie.
He said it is a 2016 but don't want to give serial number. He may lie too.

Seller know if a buyer come with cash in the pawn shop, more chance he would not want to return home without the guitar...

Street price are alway better than those in a Pawn Shop. I will not buy it.


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:02 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:

Strange he cannot give you the serial since you are a potential buyer and should have all the facts.
:D


I will not buy it .
First seller said it is a Elite, he lie.
He said it is a 2016 but don't want to give serial number. He may lie too.

Seller know if a buyer come with cash in the pawn shop, more chance he would not want to return home without the guitar...

Street price are alway better than those in a Pawn Shop. I will not buy it.


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:14 pm
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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:53 pm
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Agreed - this one appears to be an American Deluxe from the 2nd generation - 2004-2009. It's definitely not a 2016 American Elite. I would pass.


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:42 pm
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which of the many white/blonde Fender colors is that one?

I believe it was called Olympic Pearl

I missed the pickguard swap(should be brown tortoise and the pics aren't clear about the type of pickups (to fuzzy), after 2010 they should be N3 noiseless and not SCNoiseless (2004-2010).

And the date should be no later than 2015, don't think any were made in 2016 as January was the official end month and the release of the Elite Series.

If he wont haggle the price enough to replace the case and any other missing parts or give you a case for it, I'd walk away like most others have said.


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:23 pm
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Don't entertain him. He knows what he has and knows enough to know what to show in the pictures and what to deliberately avoid.

You could perhaps forgive a legitimate mistake regarding type but this bloke knows exactly what he has and is trying to deceive the unwary.

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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:45 am
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sfceric64 wrote:
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which of the many white/blonde Fender colors is that one?

I believe it was called Olympic Pearl


My guitar is Olympic Pearl, and initially I thought the one on Craigslist was too.
I'm not so sure now.

Here's mine
Image

To be honest the above picture does not properly represent how it looks in the flesh - it's a difficult colour to capture properly.
The keen eyed will also spot the roller nut - mine was originally HSS, with the S1 and blower switches, but I decided that I wanted it to be a more akin to a standard Strat.
I ordered and fitted a fully loaded scratchplate - the original is boxed and stored, so it's a simple thing to return the guitar to its original spec.

sfceric64 wrote:
I missed the pickguard swap(should be brown tortoise and the pics aren't clear about the type of pickups (to fuzzy), after 2010 they should be N3 noiseless and not SCNoiseless (2004-2010).

And the date should be no later than 2015, don't think any were made in 2016 as January was the official end month and the release of the Elite Series.

If he wont haggle the price enough to replace the case and any other missing parts or give you a case for it, I'd walk away like most others have said.


I am now of the opinion that the pawn shop guitar is ten or more years old.
There are quite a few listed on Ebay at the moment on my side of the pond http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FENDER-AMERIC ... Sw-0xYbWi5

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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:55 am
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stratmangler wrote:

There are quite a few listed on Ebay at the moment on my side of the pond http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FENDER-AMERIC ... Sw-0xYbWi5


Color look like the first Strat in England bring by Hank Marvin !


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:22 am
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My first thought on the color was Vintage White... and that vs the 2016 announcement doesn't quite fit.
All in all, the age of the guitar seems to be unclear - US or DZ serial etc.
Maybe that's why the seller doesn't reveal even the beginning of it - or there's something fishy on the origin of the guitar.

Anyway, I'd still call that a legit AmDlx Strat with aftermarket pearloids. There are just too many good signs and no typical fake signs. And a sidenote: the owner has apparently taken care of the instrument, especially if it's an older guitar.
But the serial number check via Fender would be an absolute must before purchasing.


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:33 am
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stratele52 wrote:
stratmangler wrote:

There are quite a few listed on Ebay at the moment on my side of the pond http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FENDER-AMERIC ... Sw-0xYbWi5


Color look like the first Strat in England bring by Hank Marvin !


It's a bit too orangey for that guitar.
It's a very nice finish nonetheless.

Hank's guitar was actually Cliff's guitar, and it was returned to Cliff in 1961.
It's covered in this interview http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/ ... ter-600700

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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:43 am
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stratmangler wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
stratmangler wrote:

There are quite a few listed on Ebay at the moment on my side of the pond http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FENDER-AMERIC ... Sw-0xYbWi5


Color look like the first Strat in England bring by Hank Marvin !


It's a bit too orangey for that guitar.
It's a very nice finish nonetheless.

Hank's guitar was actually Cliff's guitar, and it was returned to Cliff in 1961.
It's covered in this interview http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/ ... ter-600700


+1

Too orangey, it could be the photo ?


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:42 am
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The ebay ad guitar is DZ5 = 2005. So, the color must be #782 Candy Tangerine, available then on AmDeluxes.


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Post subject: Re: When is a 2016 American Elite not an AE?
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:20 am
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sfceric64 wrote:
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which of the many white/blonde Fender colors is that one?

I believe it was called Olympic Pearl

I missed the pickguard swap(should be brown tortoise and the pics aren't clear about the type of pickups (to fuzzy), after 2010 they should be N3 noiseless and not SCNoiseless (2004-2010).

And the date should be no later than 2015, don't think any were made in 2016 as January was the official end month and the release of the Elite Series.

If he wont haggle the price enough to replace the case and any other missing parts or give you a case for it, I'd walk away like most others have said.


Although I said walk away at first, the OP is planning on checking it out in person and offering a lower price. If the pawn shop won't take the lower price he should still walk away.

You're correct; there will be no American Deluxes with a "US16" serial number. Fender didn't even start using "US16" numbers until about February - the first batches of American Elites were made toward the end of 2015 and carry "US15" serial numbers - I think that American Deluxe production ended about September/October of 2015.

Then neck on the guitar is clearly an earlier American Deluxe neck because it has abalone dots - which were used from the introduction of the American Deluxe in 1998 through the end of the second generation at the end of 2009 (again, probably October 2009); the 3rd generation American Deluxe changed to black pearl dots on the maple fingerboards.

The electronics show the S-1 switch, which started on the 2nd generation model (2004-2009) - so it could be an olympic pearl 2nd generation with a changed-out pickguard if it has SCN pickups. If it has N3 pickups then that puts the entire guitar in question - it is a 2nd generation with a completely changed-out pickguard from the 3rd generation (2010-2015)? Is it a 2nd generation neck on a 3rd generation body? Is it a total build-up of parts from various American Deluxes across mutliple generations? It's a nice guitar, but all that impacts the price the OP should pay for it.

I would be leery of dealing with someone who won't give out the serial number - that to me is a red flag that they know something's wrong and they don't want you to find out until it's too late. They could have at least given the OP the first digits/prefix of the serial number.


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