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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:42 pm
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Well, for a time, the necks on MIM and MIA strats were the same fruit.

Not anymore, however, just to keep things honest.

And I don't know exactly when the necks were the same.

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I own a 2008 AmericanDeluxe Ash strat and no mexican neck I have ever seen is anything like it...doesn't feel like it...doesn't look like it...doesn't play like it. IMO they are inferior. I know you love your 21 fret mexican but it is not the same..sorry..if you want the real thing you have to pay for it.


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I own a 2008 American Deluxe Ash strat and no 21 fret Mexican neck will ever look like it, play like it or feel like it. If you want the real thing you've got to pay for it. Ther's areason American strats are more expenxive they're a better guitar with a better neck, period


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:oops: That's arepeat but maybe I won't have to say this again for the 30th time.


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Post subject: MIM versus MIA: Why can't we get along?
Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:34 pm
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MIM and MIA serve two different price points. Not everyone can afford a MIA guitar, so the MIM or the Asian Squiers are available. Instead of endless debates over the MIM versus MIA, let's go after the Gibson Les Paul fanboys. Those LPs are way overpriced....


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where one can see that electric neck production is well underway.



Are you sure they're electric necks and not acoustics? Acoustic necks are made in Mexico and that pic looks a lot like the acoustic drying room in the 2003 tour pics.


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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:59 pm
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Here we are, 'neck and neck' once again.

In keeping with the situation, go check out the Chet Atkins, Mark Knopfler
duo CD if you are not yet acquainted with it.
It's a bit dated in terms of time of release, but well worth owning.

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Speaking oif price points and necks lets talk about the baseball bats that gibson puts on it's guitars. Everything on a gibson under $2000 dollars maks a wide and fat PRS look lik an Ibanez Wizard II. The are the most overpriced pieces of junk with the worst quality controlof any guitar I've ever seen..I had am SG special and it was the worst guitar I've ever owned..dead spots all over the neck and the neck must have been made by Lousville sluger or Rawlings because even with very long figers I could barely play this guitar that was my last gibsin anf I will never buy another. You can't keep them in tune (the tuners SUCK) The Epiphones actually have better more playable necks than the Gibsons. I wouldn't own one because I don't like that kind of guitar but at least Epiphones now have grovers. Gibsons are the most overpriced, overhyped and poorest quailty guitar for the mone on the market today and they are doing absolutely nothing to justify the cost of an OK guitar...They aren't a great guitar and as amatter of fact they can't hold a candle when compared to a Reverend guitar with the same kind of pickup configuratu=ion. I love my Fender and wouldn't leave it for love or money but Reverend is putting out some really nice guitars at pretty affordable price points. They don't compete with Fender because their guitars are entirely different than anything Fender builds but they do compete with Gibson and epiphone and kick the snot out of both of them (IMHO)


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makinglemonade wrote:
Speaking oif price points and necks lets talk about the baseball bats that gibson puts on it's guitars. Everything on a gibson under $2000 dollars maks a wude and fat PRS look lik an Ibanez Wizard II. The are the most overpriced pieces of junk with the worst quality controlof any guitar I've ever seen..I had am SG special and it was the worst guitar I've ever owned..dead spots all over the neck and the neck must have been made by Lousville sluger or Rawlings because even with very long figers I could barely play this guitar that was my last gibsin anf I will never buy another. You can't keep them in tune (the tuners SUCK) The Epiphones actually have better more playable necks than the Gibsons. I wouldn't own one because I don't like that kind of guitar but at least Epiphones now have grovers.


doesn't this kind of negate the argument that "you get what you pay for", that you made earlier? I too find gibsons unplayable but its down to the scale length of the guitar and the lack of tension inherent in 24.75" scale guitars. I'm quite interested in their quality control issues, Ive got a 76 les paul in storage which was apparently a particularly bad time for gibson i think im going to go and have a look at some modern ones to see if the same problems are arising now namely the bad body finish and bad wood used on the body.

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Not when refering to Fender, lets not be comparind Indonesian Squires to MIM strats or MIM strats to American Strats your right back to apples and oranges , sheeesh don't you ever quit? An American strat is head and shoulders above a mexican and I'll put my American Deluxe ash strat against any Mexican and blow it out of the water...There is nothing there to compare but the name on the headstock...give it a rest :roll:


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I own a Les Paul Custom Shop Heritage Series guitar with what is termed the '60's neck.

I believe you would find that neck quite playable.

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I believe I would the Heritage was the best of all the les Pauls (IMHO) Made in Kalamazoo Michigan wasn't it? but what was the cost of that guitar and what would it be today? You CAN get a really nice less paul but for what it cost you could probably buy several nice American strats. In the price point of 1500dollars or less is really what I'm refering to. Is the Heritage Plant still open?


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And Doc another reason for that post is I'm sick of hearing how the Made in Mexico neck is the same thing as the American and I was sick of arguing about it. I don't believe my American deluxe ash neck can be found on a stock Mexican guitar. I never said Mexican necks were bad I just said that there is more time and effort put into an American neck than a Mexican neck...you can like whatever you want but don't tell people there the exact same thing..that just get's old


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makinglemonade wrote:
Why would someone put an American neck on a Mexican strat just to say it's American?

1) The main difference to me between the MIM & MIA neck is the 22nd fret. For that I could understand someone making the swap. Since you guys brought it up, is that possibly done without much fanfare (no intonation issues, etc.)?

2) I think the main differences between an MIM & MIA standard are:
available colors, pickups, bridge, finished 22-fret neck (MIA), and HSC (MIA)

I'll let you guys finish the debate, but I am definitely on the side that the above list does not constitute "apples and oranges" whatsoever. But for some, it does. From there we must "agree to disagree"...


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You should aso add to your lists of differences QUALITY CONTROL. The American made guitar is of better quality than it's Mexican countrpart and I agree we disagree and lets be done with this .It is getting really old, relly fast. :roll:


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