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Ceri is predicting threads again lol.
What kinda sound are you looking to achieve Dewie69?
Well Im just looking for a real Vintage sound. And I plan on modding my '02 Highway one.I would like to have me another Strat and have read things on the reissues.Old players saying that they dont make them like they use too so thats why I hear they started the reissues.I bought my Highway 1 from my uncle for like 500 bucks and really like it.He did offer me an all original '71 for 800 bucks when I didnt really have that money to spend and I did not know much about the Vintage market at the time and he ended up getting 10 grand for the thing on e-bay.Needless to say I've been kicking myself for a few years now. I just really want a guitar with an old school feel and sound.I decided on Black cause why not have a look alike of the most coveted Strat of all......


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I've heard the '70s Strats aren't so great... :\

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Ceri:

I had a postscript thought not long after sending, and this is relevant to my comments on the '57 Hotrod and my interest in it.

Last year at this time, I asked my GC rep to have the Custom Shop quote a price on a 'teambuilt; hardtail version in a two color sunburst with no other mods like gold hardware, for example. They came up with a figure over 3K so I purchased my next choice.......a PRS "Johnny Hiland" Signature model with a tortoise-shell '10 top'. I've told this story before.

I appreciate what their overhead must be but I was hard pressed to think of what additional costs they would incur in '07 which would warrant a 3K price. Too simple an instrument to build. The routing is less complicated, as is the bridge assembly. The rest are parts already in the factory pipeline, nor was the finish anything beyond what they are doing in production.

As far as Alain's guitar, its been seen on the forum among the photos of his collection.

Enjoy the week-end, as y'all say on the other side. It is likely I will not visit here again until Tuesday.

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aint that the truth. i dont think i've ever come across such a wealth of knowledge as i have here. It certainly does inspire to learn.

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bss wrote:
Ceri is predicting threads again lol.
What kinda sound are you looking to achieve Dewie69?
Well Im just looking for a real Vintage sound. And I plan on modding my '02 Highway one.


If you take the time to read 'specs' you get a sense of where the company is coming from. AV'57 is fitted with what they call '57/62' pickups which were modeled after a selected '63 pickup. They are looking for the 'vibe' here because, historically, the quality control on pickup windings was kind of loose (and our favorite gal Abigail has become a legend in her own time because of this) so you are not going to necessarily get a true '57 pickup in this guitar because they are used in the '62 as well. You're getting a 5-year range.

Fender also makes Custom Shop '54's which you should read the specs on.

There are other companies who make single coils which are reputed to come close to the sound you may be looking for and, quite honestly, may not really be clear as to what it is. You may have to spend some time swapping pups in and out of your guitar and, remember, the sound you seek is influenced by your amp, and a classic Fender tube amp like a '59 Bassman, Twin, Deluxe Reverb or even that new Princeton, sans all that overdrive and fuzztone, is also part of the mix.

The 'clean' unadulterated sound of a late 50's guitar can be heard on anything Buddy Holly recorded. That's a place to begin. That's what my '58 sounded like and, if I were going retro I would do what AlainDeFrance did and have them build the same guitar for me that the built for him...a '58 sunburst, maple neck, dimed to the fit, finish and pickup windings. Of course, cost is a factor for you at this time and is well understood.

Also, get yourself a copy of the "Stratocaster Chronicles'' if you have not yet, and read it from cover to cover. It contains a CD with examples of Strat sounds of different vintages and styles.

You are fortunate in that Fender now produces a range of instruments at different prices points, but they all look like Strat under the lights. When I was 16 there was only one....and it cost $249 without the case and, in 1958, that was an expensive guitar, until the Jazzmaster, that is.

The point here is to have fun, not suffer from the symptoms of "GAS"...Guitar Acquisition Syndrome.

Good luck on your quest.


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Dewie69 wrote:
bss wrote:
Ceri is predicting threads again lol.
What kinda sound are you looking to achieve Dewie69?
Well Im just looking for a real Vintage sound. And I plan on modding my '02 Highway one.


If you take the time to read 'specs' you get a sense of where the company is coming from. AV'57 is fitted with what they call '57/62' pickups which were modeled after a selected '63 pickup. They are looking for the 'vibe' here because, historically, the quality control on pickup windings was kind of loose (and our favorite gal Abigail has become a legend in her own time because of this) so you are not going to necessarily get a true '57 pickup in this guitar because they are used in the '62 as well. You're getting a 5-year range.

Fender also makes Custom Shop '54's which you should read the specs on.

There are other companies who make single coils which are reputed to come close to the sound you may be looking for and, quite honestly, may not really be clear as to what it is. You may have to spend some time swapping pups in and out of your guitar and, remember, the sound you seek is influenced by your amp, and a classic Fender tube amp like a '59 Bassman, Twin, Deluxe Reverb or even that new Princeton, sans all that overdrive and fuzztone, is also part of the mix.

The 'clean' unadulterated sound of a late 50's guitar can be heard on anything Buddy Holly recorded. That's a place to begin. That's what my '58 sounded like and, if I were going retro I would do what AlainDeFrance did and have them build the same guitar for me that the built for him...a '58 sunburst, maple neck, dimed to the fit, finish and pickup windings. Of course, cost is a factor for you at this time and is well understood.

Also, get yourself a copy of the "Stratocaster Chronicles'' if you have not yet, and read it from cover to cover. It contains a CD with examples of Strat sounds of different vintages and styles.

You are fortunate in that Fender now produces a range of instruments at different prices points, but they all look like Strat under the lights. When I was 16 there was only one....and it cost $249 without the case and, in 1958, that was an expensive guitar, until the Jazzmaster, that is.

The point here is to have fun, not suffer from the symptoms of "GAS"...Guitar Acquisition Syndrome.

Good luck on your quest.


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Thank's doc for your wealth of info and taking the time.I really appreciate it.Im not really looking for a real specific sound,And I have no intrest in emulating any one specific Im just looking for a good pickup (for my HWY1)that is that has a nice old style tone.My amp is a '95 Blues Deluxe and yeah it sounds sweet.As far as the RI goes like I mentioned earlier I would like to have a little old school toy.Also alot of my quest has to do with having knee surgery 2 weeks ago and now Im on short term dissability for like 6 weeks and been playing my Strat like 3-4 hours a day so theres a little obsession going on here.Thanks all for your feed back.I've only been a member for like 5 days and now I have another addiction with these forums.I LOVE IT!!!


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Dewie69 wrote:
I'm just looking for a good pickup (for my HWY1) that is that has a nice old style tone.


What kind of pickups are in that early (2002) HWY1? :wink:

Have you experimented with raising/lowering their heights?
There's a good chance that the tones you like are within a few turns of the screwdriver. Really. And it's a lot easier on your wallet. Have fun.

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Dewie69 wrote:
I'm just looking for a good pickup (for my HWY1) that is that has a nice old style tone.


What kind of pickups are in that early (2002) HWY1? :wink:

Have you experimented with raising/lowering their heights?
There's a good chance that the tones you like are within a few turns of the screwdriver. Really. And it's a lot easier on your wallet. Have fun.
You know I dont really know whats in there.I havn't yet pulled up the pickguard.Im just assuming that there not that great and like we all discuss in here it's fun modding our axe's.For the HWY 1 looks like Im leaning toward the '69s.My uncle put a pearl pickguard on it and Im just wanting to do a little customization of my own.


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I put CS Tx Specials in my Highway One, which are probably the same as in the Roadhouse although mine do say Custom Shop, and I love them. The Texas Specials are based on SRV's Strat, which was about a '58 or '59, but was overwound because of the loose QC I guess, but man was that a happy accident. These pickups, man, you can't leave that little guitar alone, before yo' wife get evil minded, and she throw you out yo' home. That's a variation on a SRV lyric. Anyway, the pickups are overwound but not modern hot. They're vintage. Way less hot than '06 upgrade Highway Ones. They are less trebly biased than upgrade Highways and other single coils I've played, and so on the Blues Junior eq I've got it on 7 out of 12 across the board. If you want a classic chimey Strat sound with hum cancelling, go to bridge-mid, tone knobs on 6, set the amp clean, give it a little reverb and it's awesome. My piano player wife is like, "oh so beautiful." It's really classic Fender musical beauty. Now, to get some blues on, switch to the neck pickup and up the gain to 12 and put in the fat switch and you've got a very SRV-like sound. I'm talking about the amazing tubular sound he gets, especially if you roll the tone knobs back to about 3. It actually sounds a lot like the incredible Stevie Ray sound you can hear him play on like In Step the reissue when he plays live. It's the characteristic sound he has. If you want a more EC sound, just drop down to the bridge-mid and you've got it. I'm extremely glad to have a guitar equipped with these pickups.

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Post subject: Re: AV '57 RI vs. Original "BLACKIE"
Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:50 pm
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While I would have loved to have purchased the Blackie replica I was wondering how off the mark the '57 reissue was to Erics original. Any thoughts or inputs?


Update: I was browsing through the posts and thought to review my commentary on this. I own a copy of the Crossroads Guitar Auction catalog.
Here are some 'goodies' on "Blackie":
a. seriol number -20038 on backplate
b. described as a 'composite' Fender Stratocaster circa 1956 and 1957
c. Lee Dickson says the neck is a '57 ; catalog describes it as having a
pronounced V-shape; Eric says that the guitar was made from components of three of the six or seven Strats purchased in Sho.Bud in Nashville. He gave three of the six to 'friends'...Harrison, Winwood, and Townsend. The pickups, pickguard and neck are all from different guitars.
On a personal note, I have a business acquaintance who has handled both the original and the tribute duplicate. The copy is deemed amazingly accurate and both are described as lovely playing instruments.

To address Dewie's question, perhaps not far off, but the neck tint on the Blackie is lighter than the RI appears.

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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:59 pm
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While I would have loved to have purchased the Blackie replica I was wondering how off the mark the '57 reissue was to Erics original. Any thoughts or inputs?


Update: I was browsing through the posts and thought to review my commentary on this. I own a copy of the Crossroads Guitar Auction catalog.
Here are some 'goodies' on "Blackie":
a. seriol number -20036 on backplate
b. described as a 'composite' Fender Stratocaster circa 1956 and 1957
c. Lee Dickson says the neck is a '57 ; catalog describes it as having a
pronounced V-shape; Eric says that the guitar was made from components of three of the six or seven Strats purchased in Sho.Bud in Nashville. He gave three of the six to 'friends'...Harrison, Winwood, and Townsend. The pickups, pickguard and neck are all from different guitars.
On a personal note, I have a business acquaintance who has handled both the original and the tribute duplicate. The copy is deemed amazingly accurate and both are described as lovely playing instruments.

To address Dewie's question, perhaps not far off, but the neck tint on the Blackie is lighter than the RI appears.
Thanks Doc
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Dewie69 wrote:
While I would have loved to have purchased the Blackie replica I was wondering how off the mark the '57 reissue was to Erics original. Any thoughts or inputs?


Dewie: This may be repetitive, however, the time period you are interested in prompts me to suggest that you audition both the '57 RI AND the new '57 Hotrod if you have not yet done so.

I have a strong preference for the Fender V-neck and found the new neck profile on the '57 Hotrod very comfortable. You may have already read my commentary that I suspect they're using the vintage Blackie neck as a template.

Keep us posted on this.

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Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:41 am
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Dewie69 wrote:
While I would have loved to have purchased the Blackie replica I was wondering how off the mark the '57 reissue was to Erics original. Any thoughts or inputs?


Dewie: This may be repetitive, however, the time period you are interested in prompts me to suggest that you audition both the '57 RI AND the new '57 Hotrod if you have not yet done so.

I have a strong preference for the Fender V-neck and found the new neck profile on the '57 Hotrod very comfortable. You may have already read my commentary that I suspect they're using the vintage Blackie neck as a template.

Keep us posted on this.

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First Doc thanks for all your input and time,Your great.2nd I have not been able to find a '57RI in the 3 GCs in my area,have not gone to Sam Ash yet.And theres no one particular reason for wanting the RI just like I mentioned before I accuired this thing you folks here call GAS and was wanting an old school feeling Strat.And figured since my favorite guitar player played a '56-'57 era mongrul why not go with '57.I do know however I do not like the '62 necks.One of the GC's I went to had a hot rod '62 and that neck felt to me like a baseball bat.I love the neck on my '02 Highway One but do not know enough about necks to know exactly what it is.On another note I was reading something about Claptons Blackie and Im not sure where I read it but it said his pup's were around a '74 and one of the pots had a date of '83 on it.Any knowledge about this?Again thanks for you time and input.
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While I would have loved to have purchased the Blackie replica I was wondering how off the mark the '57 reissue was to Erics original. Any thoughts or inputs?


The large volume dealer's buyers do not necessarily 'hang' high end product. If you observe closely, you get the idea of what is generally 'pushed'. Just check out the models being shown. The "Platinum Club'' is usually a separate room, or hanging three inches from the ceiling out of the reach of the 'headbanger's ball'.

From what you say, you really should have a shot at auditioning that '57 Hotrod. There has been a great deal of positive feedback on that guitar here on the forum. Those who own 'em, luv 'em, and they are even starting to mod them.

With respect to your other question, Lee Dickson stated that there was a '70 pickup on the guitar when it was 'acquired/created.' The others were
proported to be older and, of course, we do not know if they were ever replaced during its period of service.

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While I would have loved to have purchased the Blackie replica I was wondering how off the mark the '57 reissue was to Erics original. Any thoughts or inputs?


The large volume dealer's buyers do not necessarily 'hang' high end product. If you observe closely, you get the idea of what is generally 'pushed'. Just check out the models being shown. The "Platinum Club'' is usually a separate room, or hanging three inches from the ceiling out of the reach of the 'headbanger's ball'.

From what you say, you really should have a shot at auditioning that '57 Hotrod. There has been a great deal of positive feedback on that guitar here on the forum. Those who own 'em, luv 'em, and they are even starting to mod them.

With respect to your other question, Lee Dickson stated that there was a '70 pickup on the guitar when it was 'acquired/created.' The others were
proported to be older and, of course, we do not know if they were ever replaced during its period of service.

Doc :wink:
Im not at all opposed to the Hot Rod Im just not to crazy about the Dimarzio Pickup.I suppose if it looked like a regular single coil I would be allright with it but part of my quest if you will is an old school look as well.But if you recommend it highly then it is certainly worth consideration and I guess I can just swap the pickup out.


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