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Post subject: Weird wiring question
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:29 pm
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I'm planning on doing a lot of modding to one of my strats but I'm not sure how to go about doing this: my goal is to add a 3 way slide (stew mac carries them) "boost" switch. Position 1 is normal wiring, position 2 bypasses everything (slight clean boost), and position 3 adds a passive od circuit (think black ice overdrive). I just have no idea how to wire this. Could someone explain how to do this, or even better, post a wiring diagram? Thanks in advance.

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Post subject: Re: Weird wiring question
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 3:58 pm
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I don't have wiring diagram on hand.

It help us if you tell what is your strat, the name.
All single coil or one humbucking or ? , 3 or 5 position switch

Why slide switch , why not toggle switch ?


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Post subject: Re: Weird wiring question
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:17 pm
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Thanks for the speedy response :D The strat I have is a Mexican standard sss, but will be modded to an hhh with the middle pickup wired to a separate output jack for a "stereo" configuration. The bridge and neck pickups will be controlled by a Les Paul style 3 way toggle switch. As far as the decision for a slide instead of a toggle is more for aesthetic reasons. There's going to be 2 of these boost switches so I thought it would look nice to have 2 slides side-by-side to imitate a mustang. If I can't do it with slides then I'd be fine with toggles.

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Post subject: Re: Weird wiring question
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:34 pm
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Guitar Electronics has tons of free wiring diagrams and if you want something really weird they will, for a small fee, whip you up a diagram for pretty much any configuration you could ever dream up.

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Post subject: Re: Weird wiring question
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:37 pm
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Slide or toggle do the same work , it is a matter of taste in most case.
I understand your guitar have already lots of mods.

Wiring as it is may help.


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Post subject: Re: Weird wiring question
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:54 pm
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Thanks for the link but I already have pretty much everything planned out, so it'd be kind of dumb to pay $30 (that what it quoted for a 3 pup diagram) for something I already have 90% finished myself. Definitely using that site in the future though. Hate to add another question, but would there be any key differences between wiring a passive or active od circuit to the 3 way switch?

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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:04 pm
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od ..... ???

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Post subject: Re: Weird wiring question
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:16 pm
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Yep, od. Planning on adding some sort of onboard overdrive. I'll explain if you're confused: it is possible to add a "built-in pedal" to your guitar via small, dumbed-down circuits found in regular stompboxes. These are called onboard effects. Most are active, which means they require a 9v battery (just like active guitar pups and pedals), while a few types of overdrive can be achieved using passive circuitry (no batteries).

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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:24 pm
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I have heard of that, strange as it may seem. IIRC, it involves adding a couple of diodes and a switch between the volume pot and ground. I think you can also substitute a second volume pot for the switch so you can blend the diodes in with the straight ground. It would require removing all the ground wires from the volume pot and then electrically isolating the volume pot from the system. I think you should visit a dedicated pickup site an post your query there. This stuff is a little out of my league. Seymour Duncan's forum might be a good place to search.

However, all that said, if memory serves I think all reports said it did not sound as good as an ordinary OD pedal.

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Post subject: Re: Weird wiring question
Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:27 pm
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Hi there the key dif would be level in that the passive would result in a drop in op level whilst active ... well you can add gain if you want...
As for a cct I am sure if you got this far (90%) you can work out the rest. :D


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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:36 pm
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Thanks for some extra info, I didn't know that passive circuits would actually result in a volume drop, and since I'm going for a lead boost, I'm going to pursue active. I just had an interesting idea though, I have an one of those mini Marshall amps that clip on your belt, and I bet you could turn it into a pedal, and it wouldn't be much of a stretch from there to make it onboard. I wonder... :?

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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:47 pm
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Yeah man why reinvent the wheel right?
But those plug in style amps are designed to drive headphones so not really suitable.
There are simple ccts out there though and you could always copy a cct and build it up using vero or buy one pre made. If you go down that road you''ll need an onboard battery so replace the op jack with a stereo one so the battery is only in use when the lead is plugged in bit like the Clapton cct.
Good luck! :D


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Post subject: Re: Weird wiring question
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:55 am
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Hi Bluefire.
Yes it's quite easy to turn those little amps into a pedal or inbuilt circuitboard.
However the 1-2watts most deliver will ruin your sound when re-amped by your regular amplifier.
I used one a few times, a Marshall mini stack thing. Into the effects return of my amp to get a very 80's metal lead sound. It's quite an attacking sound.

Concerning your guitar. You say you have 90% done. So could you provide us with a diagram of what you've wired and how. We stand more chance of being able to help if we know what you've done already. Personally I'd be looking at wiring your slide toggle after the selector switch and before the rotary controls.

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Post subject: Re: Weird wiring question
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:22 pm
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5tFHd ... p=drivesdk

Here's a link to the diagram, please let me know if I screwed up somewhere. The guitar will be hhh, all coil split, with the middle pup wired to a 2nd jack for a stereo configuration.

The controls for the bridge and neck pup are as follows: master vol, bass cut, blend, bypass, and momentary kill switch.

The controls for the middle pickup are as follows: volume, blend, bypass, and momentary kill switch.

Note that the blend knob is a shared control between the neck&bridge pups and the middle pup for the ability to have a live "stereo panning effect," like much of the stuff heard on old Hendrix records.

Some changes I'm considering making are changing the bypass switches to 3-way "boost" switches as previously mentioned, and possibly adding a 3-way mini toggle to the middle pup for some additional "tone" control (perhaps some sort of treble cut switch?).

I realize this is a ridiculous amount of modding, but I was given this guitar for free, and frankly, it needs a lot of work before I'd use it on a gig. Since I didn't want to get rid of it (this guitar meant a lot to the friend that gave it to me), I've decided to makes this my fun, project/experimentation guitar. So, happy modding for me :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Weird wiring question
Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:11 pm
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Need to get my thinking head on and work through it.
However I think you could be asking for trouble by trying to incorporate the middle pickup to blend into the neck/bridge circuit and then back out again. You'd be better off wiring it as a separate entity to it's jack socket

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