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Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:25 am
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Without seeing and hearing the guitar, it's a tough call. However, based on your complaint that ALL the strings and frets are affected, I'm leads to deduce any one or combination of these major culprits:

- Strings dead;
- Action too low;
- Frets in poor shape;
- Reverse (arch) warp in the neck. (I'm betting on this one.)


I live in Sweden so i don't get all the english guitar expressions =) So what is "Action too low" And that last one you wrote?

i can take this i speak a language he understands

altså. action to low betyr at strengene dine er for lavt ned mot gripebrettet, noe som kan påvirke "sustainen" dette kan fikses ved å ta gitaren inn til service i butikken hvor du kjøpte den.....

Reverse (arch) warp in the neck. betyr at halsen på gitaren bøyer seg for mye noe som og kan påvirke sustainen dette kan også fikses ved service

jeg anbefaler deg og ta med gitaren til butikken og få gjort en justering si at du vil rette ut halsen og justere strengehøyden, dette burde fikse alle problemene dine....

hope that helps :)


Ok bluestube now I'm impressed. Thanks for the translation.


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Fender Strats have tremendous sustain, when set up correctly. If you have fret rattle - that's pretty obviously the string won't sustain because it's hitting the frets. Otherwise, probably your pickups are too close to your strings.

At least with good U.S.A. Fenders, the bolt-on necks don't keep sustain from being powerful. In reality, Fender's bolt-on necks have little impact on sustain. That's Gibson's story but it's not factual. Sustain comes from the vibrations of the string over the pickup, just like the rest of the music. All electric guitars operate on electromagnetic principles. The vibrating string creates an electrical charge in the pickup magnet. The tone comes from a lot of factors: the body wood, the neck wood, the head stock, the bridge. Fenders are made from resonant hard woods like alder, with hard maple necks and head stocks. and many like the upgraded Highway One and the new American Standard have steel blocks down from the bridge into the alder or ash body to promote the small vibrations that produce sustain. A glued neck versus a bolt-on neck would have a negligible effect on sustain, if any, because in fact the Fender neck is still flush with the body.

Here's the real reason, imho, that the superior Fender Stratocasters got a reputation for having weak sustain compared to Les Pauls: Fender's beautifully musical Alnico V pickups. The Alnico Vs produce a powerful magnetic field. As the string vibrates, these powerful Alnico V magnets can grab the string in their field and damp the string's motions, creating a quickly dying note. The solution is to get the pickups farther away from the strings. The guitar wizard at Wild West Guitars in Riverside CA set my guitar up with notoriously strongly magnetized CS Texas Specials. The pickups are lowered into the body using the adjustment screws, and they are well away from the strings. As a result, I've got great sustain - the way Leo intended.

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Fender Strats have tremendous sustain, when set up correctly. If you have fret rattle - that's pretty obviously the string won't sustain because it's hitting the frets. Otherwise, probably your pickups are too close to your strings.

At least with good U.S.A. Fenders, the bolt-on necks don't keep sustain from being powerful. In reality, Fender's bolt-on necks have little impact on sustain. That's Gibson's story but it's not factual. Sustain comes from the vibrations of the string over the pickup, just like the rest of the music. All electric guitars operate on electromagnetic principles. The vibrating string creates an electrical charge in the pickup magnet. The tone comes from a lot of factors: the body wood, the neck wood, the head stock, the bridge. Fenders are made from resonant hard woods like alder, with hard maple necks and head stocks. and many like the upgraded Highway One and the new American Standard have steel blocks down from the bridge into the alder or ash body to promote the small vibrations that produce sustain. A glued neck versus a bolt-on neck would have a negligible effect on sustain, if any, because in fact the Fender neck is still flush with the body.

Here's the real reason, imho, that the superior Fender Stratocasters got a reputation for having weak sustain compared to Les Pauls: Fender's beautifully musical Alnico V pickups. The Alnico Vs produce a powerful magnetic field. As the string vibrates, these powerful Alnico V magnets can grab the string in their field and damp the string's motions, creating a quickly dying note. The solution is to get the pickups farther away from the strings. The guitar wizard at Wild West Guitars in Riverside CA set my guitar up with notoriously strongly magnetized CS Texas Specials. The pickups are lowered into the body using the adjustment screws, and they are well away from the strings. As a result, I've got great sustain - the way Leo intended.


Thanks for the great anwser =D Sorry, i did'nt notice it until now. Anway i am really going to try lowering the pickups, but i can't do it until monday, my guitar is away right now.


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Just a thought ... Is it possible that it is not the guitar, and you actually have some "noise gating" going on in your amp and/or effects rack?


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01GT eibach wrote:
Just a thought ... Is it possible that it is not the guitar, and you actually have some "noise gating" going on in your amp and/or effects rack?


Nope, can't be. I have tried without effects, my old amp, and even my friends amp but still the problem remains.


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check the neck screws i noticed bad susain on my jackson which i use for gigging also the tuning was slipping slightly too. which is very rare for my floyd equipped guitars, (my rhodes slipped half a tone over 21 months with no retunes in that time) it turned out the neck screws had worked loose after i'd thrown the guitar across the stage at the end of a gig. tightend the screws, stopped throwing it around and no more sustain or tuning problems.

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My Neck thru ESP guitar sustains forever :P


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my esp ltd jh600 is garbage my dustbins got better tone and more sustain, proved when the duff guitar hit it.

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Alright, i think i have figured out what the problem is. I decided to switch to thicker strings (.011, and the tremolo block went up, you know, so it was no longer in contact with the body, because of my new strings. So i tightend the screws at the back of my guitar to pull my tremolo block down, and i had to screw the screws almost all the way in to get the tremolo block completly down. And after i've done that i noticed increased sustain on my g string, on the 7 fret up to the 12 fret the sustain was fine, above the 12 fret the sustain was terrible and below the 7 fret the sustain was just as bad. It is like this on my g b and e string, but on the thicker strings ( D A E) the sustain is fine.

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well, the low d-e strings are thicker, so they have more sustain. hopefully you have good quality strings, because that helps too. since the block in the tailpiece, is all the way down, that helps sustain too. is your guitar made of plywood :lol: naw im kidding. Im sorry to say this, but your guitar might be a rotten apple. you had a basket of good looking apples, you accidentally picked a bad one. i'm no expert, but that's the most i can give. or you can just try dimarzio area pickups, they have alnico 2 magnets, and they cancel hum and give better sustain without the magnetic pull. lest that's what they say. But it is true, as people before mentioned it. go from the headstock to the bridge on your guitar, and very systematically figure out the problem. isolate the impossible solutions. that's real problem solving anyways.


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This is so annoying, in every article i read about the highway one strat that they write that it absolutley sing with sustain :( Why wont my guitar sustain?


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This is so annoying, in every article i read about the highway one strat that they write that it absolutley sing with sustain :( Why wont my guitar sustain?


I'm curious, how long have you been playing and what are you measuring your guitars sustain against? Another strat? A friends guitar? The reason I'm asking is I'm wondering if you have too many expectations. What amp are you using?

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Denkath wrote:
This is so annoying, in every article i read about the highway one strat that they write that it absolutley sing with sustain

I got news ... My MIM standard would "absolutley sing with sustain" even when it was bone stock.
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This is so annoying, in every article i read about the highway one strat that they write that it absolutley sing with sustain :( Why wont my guitar sustain?


I'm curious, how long have you been playing and what are you measuring your guitars sustain against? Another strat? A friends guitar? The reason I'm asking is I'm wondering if you have too many expectations. What amp are you using?


I have played over 3 years now and i mesure against every strat player there is. I noticed my bad sustain when i played the jimi hendrix song voodoo chile, and at one part he holds a note and let it ring for a while (Example When SRV plays it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNODzKMKE84 at 0:44 ) If SRV would have played my strat there, that note would have died after 2 seconds.
I think it is that my bridge is'nt parallel against the body, but i can't pull it down more, i have tightend the screws as far as it goes.
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Denkath wrote:
Alright, i think i have figured out what the problem is. I decided to switch to thicker strings (.011, and the tremolo block went up, you know, so it was no longer in contact with the body, because of my new strings. So i tightend the screws at the back of my guitar to pull my tremolo block down, and i had to screw the screws almost all the way in to get the tremolo block completly down. And after i've done that i noticed increased sustain on my g string, on the 7 fret up to the 12 fret the sustain was fine, above the 12 fret the sustain was terrible and below the 7 fret the sustain was just as bad. It is like this on my g b and e string, but on the thicker strings ( D A E) the sustain is fine.

Help me! What should i do?


sounds like its a neck relief issue. 0-7 are bad 7-12 are good and 12-21 are bad. judging from that i'd say the neck is too straight and the neck needs shimming indicated by the 12-21 problem. The symptoms alleviated a bit when you put 11's on because the added tension caused the neck to concave a little which is what you want.
loosen the strings off (completely slack) and loosen the neck bolts, inbetween the heel of the pocket and the neck right on the edge of the heel, after the last 2 screws insert a slither of cardboard about 4mm wide and 50mm long. re-tighten the screws and re tune the guitar. remember with shimming a neck not to use a thick shim, 1 or 2 mm thick shoud be ideal. A little shim at this end makes a huge difference at the headstock end so be conservative.
now you need to re-adjust the string height, once you've done that you should notice a marked improvement between frets 12-21. If not slacken the strings off and remove the shim.
If it does improve but frets 0-7 stay bad you need to slacken the truss rod off a bit. with the strings intune turn the truss adjuster anticlockwise 1/8th of a turn and leave your guitar to stand for 20 minutes. then play it and see if its improved, if so but its not enough repeat it up to twice more.

I really dont reccomend you try this stuff but take it to a tech and maybe mention the neck shim and truss adjustment to them.

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