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Post subject: EJ Strat addition plus thoughts...
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 7:52 am
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Dear Fender,
Please order a "G" traditional Strat bridge from SMac in Ohio , study it closely, paying attention to every detail, especially the beveled front edge, manufacture it, and put it on your 6 point tremolo guitars. This guitar is too high dollar for me to have to spend more money to fix it. Come on guys!
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:59 pm
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You need Nut Sauce or something similar

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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:27 pm
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Perhaps this can help.
I've been doing this for a very, very long time and nobody explains it as well as Carl.


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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:07 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
Perhaps this can help.
I've been doing this for a very, very long time and nobody explains it as well as Carl.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.
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v=6_yU7xFV3eo[/youtube]


I do the Carl way, BMW. I've got it working as good as it's going to get. It seems it's tougher on the Fender made bridge because it slides up and down on the screws. I've been replacing all my Fender 2 7/32" bridges with the "G" traditional from SMac. I don't have any trouble with them. It seems to hold its pivot better, probably because of the bevel. IMO, they sound better, too.
As you work the tremolo back and forth, you can see the Fender unit slide up and down the screws. If you compare the two top plates, (there's a pic on the Bill C. site) you'll see what I mean. The "G" traditional bridge is machined like the Bill C.'s, only a lot less expensive. I use the trem a lot, and I've never liked it decked. I like it floating. My Classic '50s is set up per Carl V, with no issues.

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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:07 pm
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But then the EJ is a vintage reproduction. If you didn't want the issues that come with the vintage trem perhaps you would have been better off getting a Strat with the modern two post?

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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:25 pm
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But then the EJ is a vintage reproduction. If you didn't want the issues that come with the vintage trem perhaps you would have been better off getting a Strat with the modern two post?


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Post subject: Re: EJ Strat addition plus thoughts...
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:35 pm
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John Sims wrote:
But then the EJ is a vintage reproduction. If you didn't want the issues that come with the vintage trem perhaps you would have been better off getting a Strat with the modern two post?


I actually traded in a 2010 American Standard. I'm fully aware of the idiosyncrasies of the vintage Strat, and can troubleshoot them efficiently. I was commenting on the current manufacture of vintage repro stuff, which I believe is substandard. Compare the bridge saddles, and the bridge plate. It's the little things that not all people can notice that makes it function properly.

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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:01 pm
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You've set the bridge up as shown in this video?
The vintage bridge installation is from around 3:16

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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:34 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
You've set the bridge up as shown in this video?
The vintage bridge installation is from around 3:16



Affirmative.

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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:06 pm
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Some kind of grease at the bridge end, where the screws and bridge plate come together would help.
Lubing the nut slots would help too.
Something like Big Bends Nut Sauce is just the ticket.

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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:37 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
Some kind of grease at the bridge end, where the screws and bridge plate come together would help.
Lubing the nut slots would help too.

Something like Big Bends Nut Sauce is just the ticket.


I've done it. It actually works better with no grease at the bridge end. I believe the problem lies in the bevel on the front edge. I've replaced bridges on a '60s and '50s Classic with the "G", and it's easier to get it working correctly. You can't dive bomb like a Floyd, but it works better because of the improved pivot point. The saddles on the "G" have a longer string slot also, which Fender improved with the stamped steel saddles on the American standard in '09, I think.
I like my Fenders, and I won't play anything else. I just want a better bridge, that can be less finicky. I'm just giving feedback...

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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:44 pm
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rjake wrote:
I'm just giving feedback...


Not to Fender.
FMIC might provide the forum BB, but you seldom get anyone from FMIC coming on the forum.
If you want to give feedback you need to go through the right channels.
Customer support in this case.

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Post subject: Re: EJ Strat addition plus thoughts...
Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:00 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
rjake wrote:
I'm just giving feedback...


Not to Fender.
FMIC might provide the forum BB, but you seldom get anyone from FMIC coming on the forum.
If you want to give feedback you need to go through the right channels.
Customer support in this case.


Actually, Shane N with FMIC has jumped in once. I'll send a concern to Fender support, you can rest assured.
I respect the opinions of some on here, too. They might know something I don't, which is why I posted.

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Post subject: Re: EJ Strat addition plus thoughts...
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:13 am
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The point you were making that Fender should make their vintage trems like those of another manufacturer doesn't hold water.

They already have a solution for the inherent issues of the vintage trem in the two post. IMHO a reproduction guitar should be as accurate as possible to the original, this including any design flaws. If I was to spend big money on a reproduction I would want the parts to be as close to indistinguishable from the original as can be, subject to budget and modern manufacturing controls.

I would anticipate this would be the standpoint of most buying a reproduction and, as such, they would be more upset about an alternate component being employed over the authentic performance idiosyncrasies of the original.

If you want a Hot Rod don't buy a museum restoration and expect it to perform like a modern car.

On the plus side, being a Strat, you can take of the authentic trem (or as near as Fender can get within budget) put it in a box and then fit what ever after market non OEM part you want and it won't devalue the guitar should you ultimately decide to sell it.

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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:30 am
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John Sims wrote:
On the plus side, being a Strat, you can take of the authentic trem (or as near as Fender can get within budget) put it in a box and then fit what ever after market non OEM part you want and it won't devalue the guitar should you ultimately decide to sell it.


+1, but only insofar as no irreversible alterations are made that would preclude the instrument from being returned to its original factory configuration.

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