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Post subject: Re: 2-point tremolos
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 1:27 am
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John Sims wrote:

I have subsequently bought Strats with (properly set up) vintage saddles and no longer find the palm resting an issue. .



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Post subject: Re: 2-point tremolos
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:39 pm
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The bridge and the saddles make no difference. Set the guitar up properly and there will be no issue.

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Post subject: Re: 2-point tremolos
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 1:40 am
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de Melo wrote:
The bridge and the saddles make no difference. Set the guitar up properly and there will be no issue.


May not make any difference to you, mate, but some people may not like their palms being lacerated by saddle screws on an otherwise-perfectly set-up guitar! I've cut the screws down on my Special and now it's great, but it was almost dangerous as standard! Yes, you could shim the neck, but I think trimming the screws is easier.

All depends on your playing style, I'd say...

Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: 2-point tremolos
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 3:11 am
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Hi Cool9.
No one is flaming you mate. Perhaps people are being a little brusque. That's about it.

Got to say, I've never noticed either system getting in the way much. I have guitars with both types of system. And even a Floyd Rose. Which sits higher than either regular Strat bridge.
I switch between any at will.
There's something to be said for the set up of the Strat tremolo. However they system was designed to float so you can pull up a bit as well as push down. So with that in mind, all units sit at about the same height, roughly.

Don't know how experienced you are as a player. But I think that is exactly what this may have a bit to do with, experience. Not to worry if that's the case. Like anything you'll get used to whatever you choose to go with. Your strumming hand sits on top of the trem, not next to it. As I said, I use an inordinate amount of guitars and switch seamlessly between Mosrite, Gibson and Fender. Despite the way they're set up and their different scale lengths. Because that is what I'm used to doing. Any player here that's been doing it a while, will tell you. Those differences become unnoticeable.

Personally, I prefer the vintage six screw unit. I think it sounds better and the spacing (56mm as opposed to 54mm) plays better. Particularly when I switch to my grotesque finger style. Which is what I like to do on Strats.

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Post subject: Re: 2-point tremolos
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:42 am
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Peter S wrote:
de Melo wrote:
The bridge and the saddles make no difference. Set the guitar up properly and there will be no issue.


May not make any difference to you, mate, but some people may not like their palms being lacerated by saddle screws on an otherwise-perfectly set-up guitar! I've cut the screws down on my Special and now it's great, but it was almost dangerous as standard! Yes, you could shim the neck, but I think trimming the screws is easier.

All depends on your playing style, I'd say...

Cheers - Peter.


Thing is, you're right when you say that everyone has his own playing style, but the vintage style saddles have been there for decades and this is the first time I've seen a complaint... As a matter of fact, as far as ergonomics go, I don't think the stratocaster was designed to be played with your picking hand resting over the bridge... Nothing wrong with that, but when I hold it according to the body contours, my hand naturally sits on the strings, a little but up from the bridge. It even helps muting the strings and taming the classic strat hiss n' hum.

But that's just me.

Anyway, I think the problem are the saddles, not the bridge style anyway.

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Post subject: Re: 2-point tremolos
Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:44 am
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Oh and Ninja is right, no one is flaming, some of us are just being straight and practical, to help the OP.

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Post subject: Re: 2-point tremolos
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 11:59 am
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cool9 wrote:
Do 2 point tremolos get in the way of your rested hand and get to be a nuisance?


Not for me anyways.

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Post subject: Re: 2-point tremolos
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:31 am
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It's all about setup setup setup...and playing the damn thing, sometimes you need to get used to the instrument, sometimes you need to go extra length in setup (as Peter to shorten the screws if the bother you on vint.brige),
I honestly dislike block saddles on a strat, but i like em vintage.
As for bridge getting in the way of your hand, how?
I don't think violin players can complain about the stand or the way they hold a violin?
Are we guitar pickers getting a bit spoiled?
This one is too heavy?
Bridge is in the way?
Frets are to small/big?
Pickups are looking at me funny!
etc..
Don't get me wrong I know it all about the feel but come on...


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Post subject: Re: 2-point tremolos
Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2016 7:26 pm
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Raised saddle screws can be a PITA if you like to palm the trem, and I do. I have that issue, and were it not for the faith I have in the experienced tech who has experience in the field and Fender's blessing ya da ya da ya da, I might have concern about the neck set up. But, I'm comfortable with the setup and recently showed it to a Fender rep. As he mentioned, it's not that uncommon and while filing of the raised screws is one possibility, we are waiting to see if short ones become available. I have seen some; but, I don't recall where.

All of this is a small irritant compared to the floating 2 point trem acting as I want with it staying in tune for days.

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Post subject: Re: 2-point tremolos
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 9:21 am
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Generally speaking, the taller saddle screws seem to be more prevalent on the MIM instruments, whereas the MIA typically have the shorter screws on the outside saddles. This is one of those many differences in the MIM and MIA.

The American Special seems to have a bridge that is the same as a Standard, the profiles of the saddles are the same, not like on an American Standard.

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