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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 7:33 pm
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Nice to see that some people get it. :D

Apparently you don't ,reread the last thing I wrote ,the AVRI reference was from 2016. for someone complaining about wasting time, you just can't stop coming back here to waste some more, you are a forum troll ,end of discussion.


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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:22 pm
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Yeah, but what can you do about it? Nothing really, except whine and get your panties in a bunch. :wink: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:20 am
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Nokie wrote:
....The pre-2012 did not have nearly the attention to vintage details. The American Vintage Fenders post 2012 were made as if Fender never made any changes in the intervening years...


Solid info, thanks for that. I had been considering a 2007 but I won't bother now as I want it to be as authentic as it could be.

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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:07 pm
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John Sims wrote:
Nokie wrote:
....The pre-2012 did not have nearly the attention to vintage details. The American Vintage Fenders post 2012 were made as if Fender never made any changes in the intervening years...


Solid info, thanks for that. I had been considering a 2007 but I won't bother now as I want it to be as authentic as it could be.


Yeah, you would be getting a poly finish on the 2007 for one thing and the electronics are not as period correct. With the AV series apparently being discontinued, you're gonna find good deals on 'em as my56strat did.


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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:41 pm
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Nokie wrote:
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Nokie wrote:
....The pre-2012 did not have nearly the attention to vintage details. The American Vintage Fenders post 2012 were made as if Fender never made any changes in the intervening years...


Solid info, thanks for that. I had been considering a 2007 but I won't bother now as I want it to be as authentic as it could be.

Yeah, you would be getting a poly finish on the 2007 for one thing and the electronics are not as period correct.

With the AV series apparently being discontinued, you're gonna find good deals on 'em as my56strat did.

Looks like the American Original (pushing $1900) is picking up the ball from the AV and running with it. Two versions, 50s and 60s, both with Nitro and "correct" pickups.

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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:23 pm
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CB91710 wrote:
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John Sims wrote:
Nokie wrote:
....The pre-2012 did not have nearly the attention to vintage details. The American Vintage Fenders post 2012 were made as if Fender never made any changes in the intervening years...


Solid info, thanks for that. I had been considering a 2007 but I won't bother now as I want it to be as authentic as it could be.

Yeah, you would be getting a poly finish on the 2007 for one thing and the electronics are not as period correct.

With the AV series apparently being discontinued, you're gonna find good deals on 'em as my56strat did.

Looks like the American Original (pushing $1900) is picking up the ball from the AV and running with it. Two versions, 50s and 60s, both with Nitro and "correct" pickups.


Yes, they are sorta picking up on the AV but I can see the 60's rosewood neck doesn't have the clay markers on the AO series. All AO's have 9.5" radius necks - not period correct though more popular with shredders these days. I'm betting the AO's don't have the paper and oil capacitor under the hood and they are not issuing them with the period correct case candy. This is obviously Fender marketing focusing on what is most important to current buyers and selling them for a bit less than the post 2012 AV's - and that's fine - but it's the end of an era where they were producing their very best models IMHO.


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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:49 pm
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Yes, they are sorta picking up on the AV but I can see the 60's rosewood neck doesn't have the clay markers on the AO series. All AO's have 9.5" radius necks - not period correct though more popular with shredders these days. I'm betting the AO's don't have the paper and oil capacitor under the hood and they are not issuing them with the period correct case candy. This is obviously Fender marketing focusing on what is most important to current buyers and selling them for a bit less than the post 2012 AV's - and that's fine - but it's the end of an era where they were producing their very best models IMHO.

All very good points.

The case candy is always a nice touch, especially in a market where we expect little... heck, when I bought my AS a few weeks ago, I asked the salesman to add a gig-bag, not expecting to get one. The CoA was a pleasant surprise... I've never received one of those on any guitar except my G&Ls, at least I don't recall one with my '78 Strat, but I do remember the Strap that came with that '78.

Not so sure I would say 9.5 is good for shredders though... one of my G&L necks is a 12" :D

Hopefully, in a couple of months, I'll be able to do a direct comparison between the Fender AS 9.5" satin and the MIM 7.5" gloss. I've got the MIM neck, and am waiting on a custom painted body from Pat Simm's.. I'm going to build a Partscaster (using Fender hardware) that basically captures the essence of my '78 Antigua.

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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:17 pm
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CB91710 wrote:
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Yes, they are sorta picking up on the AV but I can see the 60's rosewood neck doesn't have the clay markers on the AO series. All AO's have 9.5" radius necks - not period correct though more popular with shredders these days. I'm betting the AO's don't have the paper and oil capacitor under the hood and they are not issuing them with the period correct case candy. This is obviously Fender marketing focusing on what is most important to current buyers and selling them for a bit less than the post 2012 AV's - and that's fine - but it's the end of an era where they were producing their very best models IMHO.

All very good points.

The case candy is always a nice touch, especially in a market where we expect little... heck, when I bought my AS a few weeks ago, I asked the salesman to add a gig-bag, not expecting to get one. The CoA was a pleasant surprise... I've never received one of those on any guitar except my G&Ls, at least I don't recall one with my '78 Strat, but I do remember the Strap that came with that '78.

Not so sure I would say 9.5 is good for shredders though... one of my G&L necks is a 12" :D

Hopefully, in a couple of months, I'll be able to do a direct comparison between the Fender AS 9.5" satin and the MIM 7.5" gloss. I've got the MIM neck, and am waiting on a custom painted body from Pat Simm's.. I'm going to build a Partscaster (using Fender hardware) that basically captures the essence of my '78 Antigua.


That is nice that you got a CoA with the AS. It wouldn't be period correct with the AV so we didn't get one nor a special stamp on the back of the head-stock or special embroidery in the hard-shell case. Indeed, a 12" radius is even better for shredders. I personally love the ol' 7.5" fat Louisville Slugger necks of the '50's but I play more in the Chet style. Leo made 'em right the first time IMHO.


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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:23 pm
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That is nice that you got a CoA with the AS. It wouldn't be period correct with the AV so we didn't get one nor a special stamp on the back of the head-stock or special embroidery in the hard-shell case. Indeed, a 12" radius is even better for shredders. I personally love the ol' 7.5" fat Louisville Slugger necks of the '50's but I play more in the Chet style. Leo made 'em right the first time IMHO.

The main thing that I like about the CoA is it will certainly help in the future should I decide to sell (unlikely) or at my estate sale. We now live in a world of very accurate Partscasters and Chinese clones. Of course, a CoA can be faked as well, but it's still helpful. I'm not sure when Fender started including them. Thinking back now, I know that I have one for my H-S-S Climax from around '97, but I don't think my S-500 has one. I need to dig that out of storage and put in a request for a new one and build sheet.
Other than the two G&Ls and the new AmSpecial, nothing I have is worth the $25 for the replacement certificate... not a lot of people cloning Epiphones and early 80s Kramers.

Leo definitely got it right (both times) but you owe it to yourself to check out an S-500 or ASAT. The S-500 has a mini-toggle that connects the B/N pickups so in the 1 and 5 positions it mimics the Tele pickup layout. The S-500, strung up with 13's, was my #1 for close to 10 years.

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:07 pm
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Nokie wrote:
I'm betting the AO's don't have the paper and oil capacitor under the hood.


Actually they do.

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Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:39 pm
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Blue Notes wrote:
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I'm betting the AO's don't have the paper and oil capacitor under the hood.


Actually they do.


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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:45 pm
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Interesting to note that the AO doesn't have the unnecessary jumpers on the pot cases. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:14 pm
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Interesting to note that the AO doesn't have the unnecessary jumpers on the pot cases. :idea:

I always wondered about that.
It makes sense on a Les Paul or other body that is not shielded or shielded only with conductive paint, but with the solid metal plate in contact with all 3 pots, we really could completely eliminate any soldering to the cases.

I guess it's insurance against noise should the nuts loosen.

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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:15 pm
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Leo definitely got it right (both times) but you owe it to yourself to check out an S-500 or ASAT. The S-500 has a mini-toggle that connects the B/N pickups so in the 1 and 5 positions it mimics the Tele pickup layout. The S-500, strung up with 13's, was my #1 for close to 10 years.


Everyone who has the G&L loves 'em. However, you said one them G&L's has a 12" radius neck - I couldn't handle the 11" radius on the Eric Johnson Strat I had for a year. The other problem with the G&L's for me is the headstock, I don't like the way it looks and where I'm concerned, it's better to look good than to be good. I do play 13's on the Strat I use for traditional surf (ala Dick Dale).


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Post subject: Re: NGD , just picked up a new AVRI series 59' maple neck.
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:04 am
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CB91710 wrote:
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Interesting to note that the AO doesn't have the unnecessary jumpers on the pot cases. :idea:

I always wondered about that.
It makes sense on a Les Paul or other body that is not shielded or shielded only with conductive paint, but with the solid metal plate in contact with all 3 pots, we really could completely eliminate any soldering to the cases.

I guess it's insurance against noise should the nuts loosen.


Whenever I open any of my strats, I cut those jumpers out if they are present. The jumpers can actually add to the noise problem, being that they create ground loops.

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