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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:40 am
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Great - thanks for all that info, John! I've been considering a set of US saddles for the Special trem, but wasn't dead sure they'd fit. But, thinking about it, yours would have vintage (wide) spacing, I suppose? So comparing the Special with your Roadworn probably isn't valid? Perhaps I should buy the modern, narrow-spaced bent-steel US saddles, keep them pristine and return them if they don't fit!

I've only just fitted the replacement Special trem I bought in May to sort out the crossed/stripped trem arm hole, and it's all working great. My only (continuing) reservation is that the saddles seem a bit 'fragile' - fine as long as you're very careful when adjusting them, but the threads (especially the intonation screw) are just a bit too easily damaged. It's like the male and female threads aren't quite the same size! I'd hope the US versions are a bit more accurate...

Yes, the Patlansky Strat has obviously been 'less damaged' during its life! Just thought with your now-acquired relicing skills it might be something to consider!

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:54 pm
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I swapped out a two post MiM with folded saddles for a MIA with block saddles on my MiM Curly Whirly. If I can find the redundant bridge I'll check the saddles and let you know what I find.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:23 am
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John Sims wrote:
I swapped out a two post MiM with folded saddles for a MIA with block saddles on my MiM Curly Whirly. If I can find the redundant bridge I'll check the saddles and let you know what I find.

Thanks John! No worries if you can't locate, because as JMattis always says, drop-in replacements rarely exist! The 6-screw Special isn't a MIM, so I'm just guessing it'd have the same saddle spacing as a modern MIM.

So IF if I get some MIA saddles (and the current set-up sounds so good I may not bother), it'll probably be a suck-it-and-see thing...

Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:20 pm
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A bit more poncing about.

As we know a 62 should have it's decals applied after lacquering. Mine being a MiM roadworn obviously the decals are applied in the modern way and lacquered over.

Solution - apply clear waterslide decal paper over the top of the existing to give the impression it was put on after the lacquer. Once properly dried and shrunk back out it will get a gentle roughing up as it is too pristine at the moment.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:46 pm
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John Sims wrote:
As we know a 62 should have it's decals applied after lacquering.


A '62 Strat's headstock decal would also feature two patent numbers below the model name.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:58 pm
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John Sims wrote:
As we know a 62 should have it's decals applied after lacquering.


A '62 Strat's headstock decal would also feature two patent numbers below the model name.

:wink:

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Damn. If I have to buy a lazer printer to print a revised decal with pat. numbers it might have been cheaper to have bought a Custom Shop 62 to start with :-)

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:21 pm
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I'm not certain that the CS '62 has the correct decal either.

(check before ordering)

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:12 am
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Saddles now all fitted - only 4 out of 6 in the photo to show the difference.

Next items on the list being:-

Complete rewire including

    new CTS Vintage Dimple pots
    Fender Pure Vintage Silica Mica 250 PF Cap (is this the right choice?)
    Oak Grigsby 5 way - I appreciate it perhaps should really be a 3 way?
    59/62 shield plate
    Cloth insulated wiring throughout

I've decided to go for a complete rewire as the previous bodger make such a shocking job of his attempt that it just annoys me now.

I also have a correct trem claw inbound.

Next question is PUPs. I'm torn between the Fender 59/62's and a set of handwound potted 62 replicas from Sonicmonkey in London. If the latter I have the choice of reverse wound middle or not and am assuming "not" would be more authentic?

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 2:27 am
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Personally I prefer a RW/RP middle pickup and never give a nanosecond's thought to the fact that it's not "vintage correct". Ditto with the five-way switch. As for tone caps, I favor the Russian mil-spec PIO type with a value of .022 or .033 mfd.

As for pickups, there are many great choices that I might suggest but I'll let others flog that dog.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:52 am
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Personally I prefer a RW/RP middle pickup and never give a nanosecond's thought to the fact that it's not "vintage correct". Ditto with the five-way switch...


That was certainly the conclusion I had come to although my hardtail isn't, and doesn't cause any issues, so I was thinking I'd perhaps go for "correct" in that instance. 5 way is a must though.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:01 am
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5 way is a must though.


Absolutely.

I simply *must* have instant access to position 2. 4, not so much.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:40 am
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Joseph Kaye Sonic Monkey handwired 62 replicas now on their way. I must support our local artisans - ees frum Lundun init.

Fender 57/62s are stupidly expensive in the UK compared to the US. I could have had Fenders for the same money if I bought from US eBay sellers (assuming I didn't get hit for import tax) but the Joseph Kaye ones would probably be more authentic, and if I had any problems with the US purchase I could be up a creek.

Russian PIO cap also now sitting on my desk following Arjay's suggestion. Apparently it is close to a K40Y-9 but without paying silly money. It will still be expensive if I fry it with the iron though.

My cheapest Strat is putting on some weight money wise. With all new electrics, two Fender vintage scratch plates (I wrongly didn't get a 62 originally but didn't like the colour of the first one any way), saddles, switch tip, trem claw, trem block and ali shield plate. It hasn't doubled what I paid for it but it is on its way. It is still an absolutely superb guitar for the money and the guitar I want to be playing when I pick up one of the others (but don't tell them that).

And, I'll have a set of redundant CS Texas Specials, or what ever they are, that I can swap for the Mexicans in Curly Whirly :-)

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 11:45 am
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My cheapest Strat is putting on some weight money wise...(but)...It is still an absolutely superb guitar for the money and the guitar I want to be playing when I pick up one of the others (but don't tell them that).


Cor blimey, I believe you've got it!

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 10:09 am
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To continue the tales of Odee (and I must see why FarceBook has mucked up the previous images) he is now in pieces with the body being a fetching shade of Daphne blue.

Tomorrow tinted lacquer followed by clear lacquer and then sit on my hands for 3 weeks until I can polish it.

I'm pleased it is going to be a relic as can spraying isn't really the route to go for a pristine finish but fits in with the story I've written in my head for the guitar. Elements of the finish are looking a bit better than I would have anticipated but, as I didn't fill the original damage, I may have to pick the paint back here and there.

The only real disappointment so far is the primer can was damaged and caused some spits which I thought I'd buffed back but can still see some evidence in the colour coat - a bit more damage may be needed methinks.

I'm going to put on an old pickguard off set from the surface a bit before spraying the tinted lacquer. I know it makes little odds, and no one will see it but me, but I like the idea that the exposed lacquer will have discoloured but under the guard should be less discoloured.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 10:20 am
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I'm going to put on an old pickguard off set from the surface a bit before spraying the tinted lacquer. I know it makes little odds, and no one will see it but me, but I like the idea that the exposed lacquer will have discoloured but under the guard should be less discoloured.


I'm betting that's how Fender's Custom Shop does it.

Rawk on!

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