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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:45 am
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All back together now - with '65 pickguard (not '62) and steel trem block.

The neck is a new experience compared to my "modern" Strats but rather nice. It's not especially fluid for bends but the big frets do help.

Love the PUPs, very nice Straty sound with a bit more growl.

Made the mistake of replacing the faulty Vol pot with a log pot. Seemed like a good idea at the time - NOT! Perhaps it will get changed if I do go for a 62 guard.

Otherwise my earlier assessment is spot on, it is an incredibly tactile instrument. It makes my other Strats feel quite sterile by comparison. I now understand why people sand the backs of their necks, they feel awesome.

In fact it is such a nice instrument to handle and play that I'm.............

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:57 pm
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I couldn't resist the call of a 62 reissue mint green pickguard and the swap provided a good excuse to add the further mojo of cloth insulated wiring. I'm happier with my distressing on the second guard (practice makes all the difference) and I have also been at work with the hydrogen peroxide.

The new pickguard has made a notable improvement to the look and brought the guitar to exactly where I want it.

The pick rash still annoys the hell out of me and I may end up removing more lacquer to try to bring it in more.

More pics in due course.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:08 am
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A few pictures now that I'm pretty much finished.

It is just such a nice guitar to play, I am very pleased with it all round.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:02 am
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Looks good, John! You've definitely scratched that 'relic itch'!

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:16 am
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Peter S wrote:
Looks good, John! You've definitely scratched that 'relic itch'!

Cheers - Peter.


Thanks Peter, I'm over the moon with it and perhaps more so that, in relative terms, it has cost me very little for what I have ended up with.

However, as with all itches, they have a nasty habit of spreading if you scratch them. I'm now pondering a '59.

The whole exercise has opened my eyes to the glory of these older instruments (accepting that this isn't really a '62). The planets certainly aligned when Leo came up with the Strat and and you start to feel that there is little in the newer versions which is actually an improvement over the originals.

There is no way I could justify buying an actual 59 or 62, or even an AVRI, but I might keep my eyes open for another MiM (and I never thought I would say that). Perhaps not as beaten up as Odee next time though.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:33 am
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The planets certainly aligned when Leo came up with the Strat and and you start to feel that there is little in the newer versions which is actually an improvement over the originals.


I believe I may have mentioned that from time to time.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:10 am
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John Sims wrote:
The planets certainly aligned when Leo came up with the Strat and and you start to feel that there is little in the newer versions which is actually an improvement over the originals.

I believe I may have mentioned that from time to time.
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I think the music created with the basic Stratocaster (even a normal-spec, unmodified and unmolested model) in the subsequent years after its creation shows the outrageous genius of Leo and crew to a huge degree.

Think about it: a lot of the features were specifically suggested or designed by musicians who were playing country & western, Western Swing, and orchestral pop (soundtracks, etc.) music...Rock + Roll, Rockabilly and Rhythm and Blues were either "niche" music, in their infancy, or not really established in any widely accepted or known form...Surf music wasn't even being alluded to yet...
Yet, within a couple of years, Buddy Holly was laying down some pretty amazing licks in ways unknown to and unintended by the design team.

Ike Turner (miserable man that he was) used and abused that whammy in ways that the design team probably either cringed at or cocked their head sideways like a confused dog.

A couple of years later, Dick Dale turned the instrument upside down--figuratively and literally!

The Ventures and the Shadows and the Beach Boys changed it even further...

As years went on, Hendrix and Clapton and Trower and E. Isle and Knopfler and Dickenson and the Brothers Vaughan destroyed the original intent even further.

...and that's before the severe modifications and Super Strats are thrown into the discussion.

All on a guitar that was intended to make it easier and more comfortable to play Country and Western music.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:56 am
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Once you start....

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Latest purchase. :-)

Also in bound, a reissue '62 pickguard shield :-)

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
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Looks like you got "the fever", John.

Real bad.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:16 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Looks like you got "the fever", John.

Real bad.

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Indeed so. These were inappropriately bright and shiny when they arrived, being brand new. A bit of relic work later they look far more like they spent the last 50 years being used hard.

I avoid rusting the crown of the saddle that the string passes over. I don't want to compromise playability for art ;-)

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:35 am
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I avoid rusting the crown of the saddle that the string passes over. I don't want to compromise playability for art


+1

They look perfect!

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:42 am
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Can you tell me about the trem, please John?... Is it all MIM or have you changed bits out for MIA? Ping steel block as per AmSpecial, or something else? Are the new saddles MIA?

Incidentally, I was looking through an old Guitarist interview of Dan Patlansky and there are some pics of his sunburst Strat (you can find it via Google). The pick rash area, that you're a bit dubious about on yours, is bigger but more random on his - and might be more what you're looking for. It certainly does look more authentic to me, although how you'd reproduce it (or whether you'd want to), I don't know! Just thought I'd mention it, though!

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:08 am
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The trem is the original MiM but with a steel block from the guy in Wales. I wasn't sure if the saddles would fit but concluded I could adapt them if there was a problem. They aren't fitted yet but, side by side, I cant see any dimensional differences. If I have a problem I'll run them down a file to make them narrower - a bit of rust can hide a multitude of sins.

Are the saddle spacing different on vintage MIA over a MiM? I know the body screw spacing differ?

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:31 am
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Peter S wrote:
.... I was looking through an old Guitarist interview of Dan Patlansky and there are some pics of his sunburst Strat (you can find it via Google). The pick rash area, that you're a bit dubious about on yours, is bigger but more random on his - and might be more what you're looking for. It certainly does look more authentic to me,...


Solid reference Peter. What is interesting is how the area has grown. There are some, I assume, earlier photos which aren't a million miles from the look of Odee. In some of the pictures it looks like he might uses a thumb pick so perhaps it is this which is causing the damage. In later pictures it looks like the body is almost scalloped out. You wouldn't want to lend him a guitar.

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Post subject: Re: Odee (Old Dog) The eBay Relic.
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:07 am
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John Sims wrote:

...Are the saddle spacing different on vintage MIA over a MiM? I know the body screw spacing differ?


Some solid anoraking going off here:-

There is no measurable difference between the saddle rear bolts between Odee and my MiA with vintage saddles - I measures o/a the 6 bolts to get the largest indication.

However, the saddles are different. The MiM's are a gnats $@!&# narrower but are gappy on the bridge. My MiA's all nestle closely side by side. The height adjustment screws are further inboard on the MiMs than on the MiA's - so the MiA's are more stable (another example of how MiA's are better than MiM's :wink: ).

So, I don't think I am going to have an issue.

If the worst comes to the worst I could always sell them on eBay. Seemingly the going rate for an original Pat Pend saddle is £120 each. :roll:

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