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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:33 am
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Not a huge lover of aged white accessories with modern pickguards.
The exception is the Classic 50s Fiesta Red with maple neck, single ply white guard and aged white covers, knobs & tip. It just looks right :?


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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:43 am
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No, parchment is different from mint green. That's more of a bleached bone shade. The mint pickguards were precisely as I've described -- a *slight* greenish tinge.

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Arjay is right, the "mint green" color was caused by the 3 ply, the black behind the white plastic gave the greenish color, this is why you will not find mint green knobs and covers.

I think the mint green is ugly, so did everyone in the late fifties and early sixties, that is why Fender changed the plastic.

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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 7:37 am
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I have to say I agree - this entire fixation with "vintage" has lead to a lot of really odd/off looking plastics. Both the 1999 and 2002 AVRI '62 Strats I owned in the past had that really fake-looking mint green pickguards. It worked (although it actually looked "greener") on the 1999 since it was Sherwood green, but it looked really strange on the 2002 that was 3-color burst.


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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:35 pm
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omar59 wrote:
Arjay is right, the "mint green" color was caused by the 3 ply, the black behind the white plastic gave the greenish color, this is why you will not find mint green knobs and covers.

I think the mint green is ugly, so did everyone in the late fifties and early sixties, that is why Fender changed the plastic.

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The green has nothing to do with the black layer showing through, and everything to do with the instability of the pickguard material (cellulose nitrate) with exposure to air.
http://www.lashingguitars.com/celluloid/celluloid1.html

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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 1:14 pm
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Well, IMO, regardless of whether the colour is the result of what have you or whether it is period correct or not is immaterial. It is still an objectionable colour to many people, myself most definitely included. As I stated, it's not enough to prevent me from acquiring a given guitar but I will be changing it in every case without exception.

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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 3:13 pm
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As I stated, it's not enough to prevent me from acquiring a given guitar but I will be changing it in every case without exception.


What, even on a genuine early 60s Strat, with genuine discolouration? :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:02 pm
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I hate the colour enough to do that.
It can easily be done without disturbing any solder joints ... but the point is moot.
It doesn't apply to me, anyway.
I would never shell out the the kind of cash required to procure a vintage instrument of that nature.
It doesn't mean as much to me as it does to some people to have vintage gear.
If you gave it to me or I inherited it, that would be different but I'm not going to pay for one out of pocket when you can get really a good facsimile from Fender for a fraction of the price that sounds great and plays great.
I don't even like short radius boards anyway.

I admit to being more sentimental about amplifiers than I am about guitars but even then, if I could get the same quality in a clone for half the price, I would.
I'm mostly a pragmatist when it comes to gear.
If it works, it's good.
The vintage aspect that costs so much more is meaningless to me.

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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:09 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
omar59 wrote:
Arjay is right, the "mint green" color was caused by the 3 ply, the black behind the white plastic gave the greenish color, this is why you will not find mint green knobs and covers.

I think the mint green is ugly, so did everyone in the late fifties and early sixties, that is why Fender changed the plastic.

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The green has nothing to do with the black layer showing through, and everything to do with the instability of the pickguard material (cellulose nitrate) with exposure to air.
http://www.lashingguitars.com/celluloid/celluloid1.html


OK, I do not what to argue with anyone about this, I am NOT an expert on plastic, old or new, but I do have a question. Didn't they make the single ply pick guards from the same material? They turned yellow, but I have not seen one that turned green.

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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:19 pm
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If memory serves, I believe the 3 ply guards were first seen in 1959.

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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:24 pm
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I agree with Arjay, though maybe not quite as fervently but enough I changed out the knobs and switch tip on my latest guitar acquisition (50's Classic Series). As soon as the strings are ready for a change, the pickup covers will also get the change over to white to match the single ply plate just as the 50's guitars it is modeled after.

Matching was one of the details they got right when they issued the '57 Vintage Reissue Strats in 1982!

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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 6:54 pm
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omar59 wrote:
OK, I do not what to argue with anyone about this, I am NOT an expert on plastic, old or new, but I do have a question. Didn't they make the single ply pick guards from the same material? They turned yellow, but I have not seen one that turned green.


I believe the single-ply pickguards used in the '50s were PVC plastic, a much more stable compound than the nitro-celluloid adopted later on. Covers, knobs, and tips were of similar composition and seldom discolored to the extent that is featured on factory-built relics, except for the 1954 model year (those parts were bakelite).

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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:19 pm
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I guess I'm in the minority, but I love the mint green pickguard on my 2014 AmDlx Strat (aged cherry sunburst, maple fretboard). It's pretty subtle but looks good to me.


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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:59 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
omar59 wrote:
OK, I do not what to argue with anyone about this, I am NOT an expert on plastic, old or new, but I do have a question. Didn't they make the single ply pick guards from the same material? They turned yellow, but I have not seen one that turned green.


I believe the single-ply pickguards used in the '50s were PVC plastic, a much more stable compound than the nitro-celluloid adopted later on. Covers, knobs, and tips were of similar composition and seldom discolored to the extent that is featured on factory-built relics, except for the 1954 model year (those parts were bakelite).

Arjay


Ok, I have learned something new, one of the reasons I come here :)


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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:25 am
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My 2012 CS Strat's plastics have already gone odd shades. Not sure it's apparent in this shot, but the scratchplate is perhaps a bit mint green, whereas the p/up covers are definitely cream. To be honest, I'm not keen - certainly not on the cream. Would prefer white or white-ish with the Fiesta Red. Maybe I'll buy a suitable plastics set one day, but it makes no difference to the way it plays...!

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Post subject: Re: Mis-matched plastic on American Strats
Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:45 am
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Peter S wrote:
Maybe I'll buy a suitable plastics set one day, but it makes no difference to the way it plays...


This is true but you can clearly see how dingy the finish color looks with that mint green pickguard. Change it out to white or parchment and watch that Fiesta Red simply pop with brilliance.

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