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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:45 pm
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wetippett wrote:
Yep Im just a disgruntled MIM Strat guy who was about to make the purchase of the players start but no one had one that I could get and all of them i see on line are more than $500. I can except that Fender wants to make money. Im thinking what happened was some one at fender realized what they where selling for such an inexpensive price. I am glad to see the Mexican Made comming up in quality though. Yeah I'm thinking if you go on Fenders sight and try to find a Deluxe Players Strat you won't find one. Just venting a bit stratmangler


But the only reason why the old Deluxe Player's Strat was $499 was because Fender was blowing them out to make room for the new $799 models. The Deluxe Player's Strat was $699 in May of 2016.

And by the way the old Deluxe Player's Strat was a 12" radius, not a compound radius.


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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:04 pm
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danagos wrote:
For Reealz? .. I don't know that the Players Strat has been discontinued .. that would be a shame


As I posted above - the Deluxe Players was only discounted $200 (down the $499) to clear the old models out; I notice that they are still on Fender's website but they are back up to $699. So the new model is $100 more - you lose the gold hardware and shell pickguard but gain the 22nd fret, contoured neck heel, locking tuners, and the 2-post trem from the Classic Player series.

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looks like the new direction is to refine the guitars coming out of Mexico ..
Smart business .. upgrade the line .. make a few extra shekels .. showcase a few ideas ..

I looked at that new Fender Deluxe Strat Series online today ..
they all have serial #'s starting with MX .. the necks are all the same ..
Big Heads w/modern C - shape .. 12" radius .. 22 Narrow Tall frets & 1.65" nut ..



Yep - Fender has had a bunch of different models under the "Deluxe Series" for years; now they have consolidated a lot of the features - same necks (with 22-fret necks, locking tuners, and tall-narrow frets), contoured neck heels, all the single coils are the Vintage Noiseless models, all have modern bridges (2-point trems on the Strats and modern-style bridges on the Teles). Of course they all took a $100 price increase.


danagos" The Roadhouse has interestingly named electronics .. "6-position V6 rotary switch utilizes the onboard preamp to provide 6 distinct tone settings ranging from wiry single-coil to scorching lead. The S-1 Switch bypasses the preamp completely."
Its knobs .. Master Volume w/S1 switch .. V6 Rotary switch .. Master Tone

I've always wanted "wiry single-coil to scorching lead" tones .. I think : )
maybe some combination of Boost & Overdrive ..
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The Roadhouse has had those electronics since it came out at the start of 2014 as the "Deluxe Roadhouse" model - but the old version had Texas Special single coils and the new version has the Vintage Noiseless pickups. It is a boost circuit with 6 positions - I've never plugged one of these in so I can't comment on how it works.

[quote="danagos wrote:
msrp is $799 .. street price maybe $600 in a month or two?


The $799 is the MAP, not the MSRP - so that is the street price at Guitar Center or Musician's Friend unless you have a coupon or something like that. A mom & pop will probably beat the $799 price but they might not get all the way down to $600.


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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:42 pm
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John C wrote:
danagos wrote:
For Reealz? .. I don't know that the Players Strat has been discontinued .. that would be a shame .. The Roadhouse has interestingly named electronics .. "6-position V6 rotary switch utilizes the onboard preamp to provide 6 distinct tone settings ranging from wiry single-coil to scorching lead. The S-1 Switch bypasses the preamp completely."
Its knobs .. Master Volume w/S1 switch .. V6 Rotary switch .. Master Tone


The Roadhouse has had those electronics since it came out at the start of 2014 as the "Deluxe Roadhouse" model - but the old version had Texas Special single coils and the new version has the Vintage Noiseless pickups. It is a boost circuit with 6 positions - I've never plugged one of these in so I can't comment on how it works.

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msrp is $799 .. street price maybe $600 in a month or two?


The $799 is the MAP, not the MSRP - so that is the street price at Guitar Center or Musician's Friend unless you have a coupon or something like that. A mom & pop will probably beat the $799 price but they might not get all the way down to $600.

Thanks for the insight John ..

I wonder why haven't I heard of the V6 before now? .. On Board boost in a Strat is a particular interest of mine .. I must be a US SNOB at heart .. lol

Actually one of my favorite builds features a Jimmy Vaughan neck and an MX body .. standing beside me ..

I'm afraid you're right about the Minimum Advertised Price allowed .. not gonna crash to $600 ..
As long as Supply keeps up with Demand .. and Vice Versa .. Collector's piece or leftovers : )

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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:31 am
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danagos wrote:
Thanks for the insight John ..

I wonder why haven't I heard of the V6 before now? .. On Board boost in a Strat is a particular interest of mine .. I must be a US SNOB at heart .. lol

Actually one of my favorite builds features a Jimmy Vaughan neck and an MX body .. standing beside me ..

I'm afraid you're right about the Minimum Advertised Price allowed .. not gonna crash to $600 ..
As long as Supply keeps up with Demand .. and Vice Versa .. Collector's piece or leftovers : )


I don't think Fender really advertised the Deluxe Roadhouse and Deluxe Lonestar all that heavily when they updated them at the start of 2014 so it was easy enough to overlook the features.


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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:54 pm
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My favorite guitar has a 14" radius. My American Standard Strat does not have a compound radius--just 9 all the way. I would prefer to have either a D shape neck or the compound. I have not played the compound neck but if it gets me closer to the neck on my other axe whose make I shall not disclose (when in Rome as it were) it sounds attractive to me. What Fender is asking for price-wise just for the compound neck is definitely not worth the money IMO. You can almost buy another guitar for that.
For getting both the Modern D shape neck and a Modern C shape neck all in one in a compound neck you might look at Fender's new Elite lineup. The heel has improved even more to play easier at the body/neck position. There is a cost for all of that, though.

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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:19 pm
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Neck shape and fret board radius are extremely important to me. If the neck doesn't feel or play right, then I will not buy that guitar.
Players have various size hands and fingers so it does matter what a neck feels and plays like even if the player is not being conscious about it. They will feel if they like a particular guitar or not as they play it even if they don't know why.

I can't play old Les Paul's because those old baseball bat sized necks are too large for my hands. The modern slim necks are much better for me. I LOVE the neck on my ES335, it's even thinner feeling than a modern slim taper Les Paul. Also, fret access it important and LP's have poor access to the upper frets compared to a Strat and that's yet another reason I love Strats. I like the C shape and prefer the 9.5" radius vs the 7.25". For my playing a flatter neck makes it easier as I like to bend and do more solo type playing.
The 7.25" radius is nice for rhythm playing as it allows for a more natural curve as the fingers wrap across the fret board for chording. But, that rounder fret board can also makes for more "choking" of a bent note especially as you play higher up on the neck.

That's where the compound radius comes in as it's rounder at the fret area where most will chord and it gets flatter as you go up the fret board for solo work. The Fender compound radius neck is flatter at 9.5" than the 7.25" radius fret board, and as you go up the neck the fret board becomes even more flat going to a 14" quite flat radius. That allows for faster playing and cleaner note bending.
On the other hand, flatter fret boards make chording more difficult, especially bar chords, because the player has to press his fingers flatter to get proper fret contact. The compound radius is nice as it's rounder on the pre 12th frets for chords and gets flatter post 12th fret for easier solo playing.

Yes, for me, neck radius can and has been a deal breaker. I won't, can't, buy a beautiful looking guitar that is not fun to play. I bought a beautiful AAAA flame maple Les Paul Standard about 3 years ago thinking I would get used to it's thicker neck shape and awkward post 12th fret access. NOPE. After 3 days I decided to return it.
It was/is a gorgeous guitar and had a beautiful tone, but I just couldn't meld with it. Playing it was too much...work. :?


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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 2:28 pm
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Terranaut_X wrote:
My favorite guitar has a 14" radius. My American Standard Strat does not have a compound radius--just 9 all the way. I would prefer to have either a D shape neck or the compound. I have not played the compound neck but if it gets me closer to the neck on my other axe whose make I shall not disclose (when in Rome as it were) it sounds attractive to me. What Fender is asking for price-wise just for the compound neck is definitely not worth the money IMO. You can almost buy another guitar for that.


Neck shape is how the back of the neck is cut as in "C", "D", "V", etc.
Fret board radius refers to the roundness of the fret board itself.
The 2 spec's work together to create how a neck feels and plays, but they are individual specs and choices that the guitar maker makes.


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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 10:06 pm
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I own and gig both 9.5 and compound boards. I play very "bendy" so I need to room under the string to grab it, and I still have enough space under the strings with the compound. You'll only really notice the extra flatness above the 12th fret or so. No biggie.


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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:21 am
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danagos wrote:
The Roadhouse has interestingly named electronics .. "6-position V6 rotary switch utilizes the onboard preamp to provide 6 distinct tone settings ranging from wiry single-coil to scorching lead. The S-1 Switch bypasses the preamp completely."
Its knobs .. Master Volume w/S1 switch .. V6 Rotary switch .. Master Tone

I've always wanted "wiry single-coil to scorching lead" tones .. I think : )
maybe some combination of Boost & Overdrive ..


Sort of a Varitone-meets-MDX


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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:27 pm
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wetippett wrote:
I'm sitting here wondering why the Fender Deluxe Players Srtat in no longer???? Its MIM but has all the bells and whistles. Ash body, noiseless pickups, compound radius fretboard, mapple neck with a price you couldn't beat at $499.99. Now I see that Fender has a guitar with all those bells and whistles but is now saying we have to pay $799.99. Really????? It is the same body, neck and electronics as the Players start for $499.99 with a different pick guard. Whats up with that Fender?????



I have a DP Strat but it has a 12" radius not compound Edit: appears I am a bit late with this comment :oops:

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Post subject: Re: Compound Radius
Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:33 pm
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paris wrote:

Are there any compound radius V necks? (sorry about the hijack Mike) : )

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Yep My 2013 FSR AM Standard has a soft V and compound radius

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