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Post subject: Re: tuners
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 5:25 am
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not sure how to post pics from photobucket. here is a pic of my tuners


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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:11 am
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you have to copy and paste.. from photo bucket.

(1) click on the photo (2) click the lower right bar which will show copy when you click (3) Go to your post then either click paste first or type out your comment. then submit your statement
Photos should then show up in your post...

For us to go to your link often means that afterwards we have to go and delete cookies from advertisers after clicking on the link...
Its preferred that the pics are in the thread and don't require going to an outside site..

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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:19 am
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Following my last statement.... Guys do not click on the link as it feeds multiple ad pop-ups which return until you delete the cookies... I have this feature disabled so that I don't automatically have unwanted cookies residing..

OP you need to post pics ... NOT links... BTW those are the standard tuners which the Fender locking are a direct plug /play...

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Post subject: Re: tuners
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:38 am
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wonder if there is a minimum number of posts required before you can post pics?
I tried the right click and copy first and it didn't work.

I deleted the link.

so you seen the tuners, will the schallers be a drop in change?


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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:46 am
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got it

thanks for the help


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Post subject: Re: tuners
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:59 am
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No... The Fenders will be direct drop ins, they are available in brushed or the polished finish which matches your existing tuners.. I have the locking on my FSR black start, it was the only mod I felt it needed. They work very well and took less then 10 minutes to install.

But while you re at it you should confirm that the string slots in the nut are rounded and at the correct depth as well as cut to hold the string snugly without binding... If your strings are too loose in the nut ( rattle and unwanted tones ) or too tight then whatever tuners you have then become irrelevant, The strings have to be unrestricted to move in their nut slots...

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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:01 am
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Yep - with that style tuner the Fender Deluxe will definitely be a drop-in change, and the "Original F-Style" Schaller's are supposed to also be a drop in change, but as some have found you may have to slightly enlarge the headstock hole.


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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 7:47 am
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53 - yeah I'm going to assume the nut slots are good. only because I have had the guitar since new and it has always been great. stays in tune and the tuners were nice and smooth.
I think the issue is because this one gets left out in the room and dust has a tendency to fly around so the tuners are gummed up a bit. it is 10 years old or better after all.


John. - thanks, yeah I was pretty certain the Fender ones would drop in, just wasn't sure about the schallers. trying to avoid the Indonesian made things if I can. I like German made, but I am not a fan of drilling my guitars LOL choices choices. I guess at the end of the day I would rather not drill my guitar. so might have to try the Fenders.

So do the lockers stay in tune much better than stock? My stock tuners are very good about staying in tune.
what is the benefit of locking tuners?

just curious.


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Post subject: Re: tuners
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:01 am
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53 - yeah I'm going to assume the nut slots are good. only because I have had the guitar since new and it has always been great. stays in tune and the tuners were nice and smooth.
I think the issue is because this one gets left out in the room and dust has a tendency to fly around so the tuners are gummed up a bit. it is 10 years old or better after all.


John. - thanks, yeah I was pretty certain the Fender ones would drop in, just wasn't sure about the schallers. trying to avoid the Indonesian made things if I can. I like German made, but I am not a fan of drilling my guitars LOL choices choices. I guess at the end of the day I would rather not drill my guitar. so might have to try the Fenders.

So do the lockers stay in tune much better than stock?
what is the benefit of locking tuners?

just curious.


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Post subject: Re: tuners
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:02 am
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Locking tuners provide a clamp to lock the string to the post rather than the string being held by the friction of crossed and/or folded wire wraps. The end result is there is almost always less than one full wrap of wire around the post after the string is tuned to pitch. That one wrap will naturally find its way to the centre of the concave contour of the post and stay there. What that does is to reduce the likelihood of multiple wraps shifting positions on the post causing fluctuations in the state of tune of the string. Besides shifting positions there could also be slight releases of tension as the wire wraps on the post stretch. In my opinion locking tuners do provide an improvement in tuning stability and they also make string changes easier and faster. They are also not cheap and they have thumbwheel pieces that can get lost if not handled properly. A son of a friend of mine thought he had to back them out far enough to remove them and had one fall down a furnace register and roll well out of reach. My friend had drywall repairs and painting to do by the time he tore the wall apart to fish it out of there.

Now that we know what kind of tuners you have, you should be aware there is a possibility you may not need new tuners to solve your problem of sticking tuners. The internal friction of the tuning machine, that is, its resistance to turning, can be adjusted by the little screw holding the knob onto the shaft. It requires a tiny screwdriver and a delicate touch. A little goes a long way. Those knobs don't just get screwed on and then tightened until the screw is tight. The amount of tightness adjusts the friction of the machine. Monkey around with that first before spending money on tuners. You might be able to save yourself some money.

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Post subject: Re: tuners
Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 11:35 am
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B K - Excellent response, thank you. That is kind of what I thought the tuners would do.

Now for the next part, let's assume, I just felt like swapping the tuners anyway. we know the Fender's will drop right in, what do you think about the Schaller's.

off topic - you ride BMW and KTM? what do you have. MIne are boring now days Harley superglide and Polaris ATV.


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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:01 pm
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I like Schaller sealed tuners and I like the Lockers even better. Be sure you get "Fender" Schallers. If you just specify (6 In-line) Schallers you may get the kind that has a little eye on the back for a locator screw which will require you to drill holes in your headstock. The "Fender" Schallers are specifically made for Fender guitars and have locator pins that fit into holes pre-drill at the factory. That system ensures perfectly straight alignment of the machines. Going with the generic Schallers and the screw-lugs leaves your installation open to the possibility of them not ending up perfectly aligned. You may want to pull one tuner off your guitar for inspection, just for your own peace of mind so you know for sure what you're talking about when it comes time to buy.

The tuners below are the regular Schaller Lockers.
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These are the Fender-Schaller Lockers. You will notice the two locator pins.
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Both of my bikes are old enough now that in some circles they might be considered almost vintage.
I bought them both brand new and I really take care of them.
They are both still in next to showroom condition.
I have a K1200RSL and a 380EX/C. The K12 has been modified, all bolt-ons.
The Katoom is so strong out of the box and so well made I never found the need to modify anything.
They come from the factory already loaded with all the aftermarket goodies you would normally have to purchase after the fact.

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Post subject: Re: tuners
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:27 am
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B K - thanks for the info. yeah the ones Mike posted in the beginning were Fender specific Schallers.

sweet bikes. I always tell people my last ride will be a BMW. save the best for last. I tend to be more of a ride them hard for a few years and than trade person.. I have had all the Japanese brands as well as Triumph and Harley. Only two I still want to try are Ducati and BMW.
I have done some work to the Superglide, have debated on playing more with it until my son mentioned if I want to go fast it might be easier to go back to sport bikes LOL
the Polaris is just a 500 Sportsman. used to have a Z400 that was slightly modded. that was a blast to ride. most of my friends however were not in the "sport" crowd and since my son has grown and moved out, no one left to ride with. so to the rolling sofa I go. LOL

anyway looks like I have a decision to make. Chrome Fenders or brushed Schallers.

thanks again for the help


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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:42 am
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I love my Beemer but my next bike will be a Duck.
The Beemer is a fabulous piece of brilliant engineering and art with a couple of design features that are truly unique in the motorcycle industry and immensely useful, particularly with respect to suspension and brakes. My K12 is a 2000 and even 16 years later it still has a couple of suspension features that are superior to pretty much anything else out there. Quality and longevity are, for the most part, unmatched with a small few exceptions. The biggest drawback to owning a Beemer is mass. My bike is as heavy as a dressed Harley. That wouldn't be so bad but sport bikes and sport touring bikes typically have a higher centre of gravity for stability at speed. A high centre of gravity is wonderful out on the highway but it can be a handful in a parking lot. I'm looking at a Multistrada for the next and possibly last bike of my life. They're still tall and sporty but they come in almost 200 lbs. lighter.

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Post subject: Re: tuners
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:57 am
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yeah, the one drawback for me has always been the height of BMWs.
I wanted one of their tour bikes soooo bad a few years back but at best I was tippy toed on the thing and yes it was not light. LOL

wound up getting a Triumph Sprint S/T that year. I doubt I will ever enjoy a bike as much as that one. Took her through the Dragon a few times. was a beautiful ride and very well mannered.

I still lust for a Ducati 748 or 998 etc. Problem with duc's is hard to find reputable service techs. I do almost all of my own work but I like to know help is close by if needed. LOL

also love the BMW S1000RR seems like a good sport bike for an older guy to be on. LOL

I seem to switch back and forth between sports and cruisers.


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