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Post subject: tuners
Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:03 am
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I have a MIM Strat with a few years on it. I have swapped the pick guard and the pick ups, gets a very nice sound.
last night I was putting on a new set of strings and noticed the tuners are becoming "sticky" when turning.
This guitar is phenomonal for staying in tune etc so the stock tuners are/were very good.
That being said I was thinking of swapping them out.

Any suggestions for good quality, stay in tune, appropriate tuners?

another option may be to clean rebuild them if that is even possible?


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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 6:54 am
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 7:08 am
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hmm those look nice. have you used them?

is there a difference in how to change strings with them? do you not have to have a couple windings around them because of the lock screws?

I have definitely heard the Schaller name tossed around a bit.


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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 12:32 pm
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avenger79 wrote:
hmm those look nice. have you used them?

is there a difference in how to change strings with them? do you not have to have a couple windings around them because of the lock screws?
No winding around. You put the string in the post hole, lock in place and tune, fast and easy. Check your peg head hole diameter to be sure they will fit


I have definitely heard the Schaller name tossed around a bit.


Be sure you can't fix your tuner before spend the money for those locking tuner.


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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:31 am
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Be sure you can't fix your tuner before spend the money for those locking tuner.


Agreed, but if you're happy to spend the money, locking tuners are a significant upgrade. Much easier to use.

The Fender 'F' branded ones (as fitted to the Deluxe) work fine as well, despite me having a problem with them being made in Taiwan, not the US!

Cheers - Peter.


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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:54 am
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avenger79 wrote:
the tuners are becoming "sticky" when turning (...)
another option may be to clean rebuild them if that is even possible?

IMHO:
If they are sealed type tuning machines, "maintenace free" almost translates to "not possible to fix when troubles arise".
You could try to spray a tiny amount of lubricant in them, then rotate, rotate, rotate.
Don't oil the wood on your guitar - best to take the tuners off for the operation.
It's of course possible to disassemble the tuning machines, but a) not worth the time, and b) there's a breakage risk to consider.


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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 7:02 am
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Peter S wrote:
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Be sure you can't fix your tuner before spend the money for those locking tuner.


Agreed, but if you're happy to spend the money, locking tuners are a significant upgrade. Much easier to use.

The Fender 'F' branded ones (as fitted to the Deluxe) work fine as well, despite me having a problem with them being made in Taiwan, not the US!

Cheers - Peter.


I've used the Fender Deluxe as well; they work fine. Really the only tuners I know of that are definitely made in the USA are Sperzels (you would have to drill an additional hole for the guide pin - Sperzel uses 1 guide pin; the Fender-style tuners use 2 guide pins). I'm not 100% sure about the Hipshots - the top-of-the-line ones may be made in the USA, but they also have an MIK line. You could also go with the Schallers (made in Germany) - they started making the Fender-style ones again in 2014 (in several different colors, not just the old satin chrome and chrome finishes from the "Fender/Schaller" days).


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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 8:39 am
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they started making the Fender-style ones again in 2014


Ah, I didn't know that, John. Just had a look online and they're also 1-pin instead of 2, I think?

Yes, I've got a couple of sets of the US Sperzels and my only complaint would be the 'thinness' and shallow knurling of the locking wheel. Makes gripping it a little less comfortable. Having said that, they don't need tightening too much, do they, and this stops you doing that! Nicely made as well.

For OP, drilling the 6 new holes is simple enough and are covered by original tuner bodies should you want to put them back on. For a straight swap in 10 mins, though, it has to be the 'F' logo'd ones.

Cheers - Peter.


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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:20 am
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they started making the Fender-style ones again in 2014


Ah, I didn't know that, John. Just had a look online and they're also 1-pin instead of 2, I think?

Yes, I've got a couple of sets of the US Sperzels and my only complaint would be the 'thinness' and shallow knurling of the locking wheel. Makes gripping it a little less comfortable. Having said that, they don't need tightening too much, do they, and this stops you doing that! Nicely made as well.

For OP, drilling the 6 new holes is simple enough and are covered by original tuner bodies should you want to put them back on. For a straight swap in 10 mins, though, it has to be the 'F' logo'd ones.

Cheers - Peter.


Peter - the "F-Style" are supposed to be 2-pin - at least that's how I read the phrase "precise original specs". They used to have more photos of them on their webpage; now they only have one shot that shows all the colors. I thought one of the other photos showed the back with the 2 pins.

EDIT: I found this listing on Reverb.com for the F-Style Schallers; they do have the 2 pins (but this dealer is sold out): https://reverb.com/item/680109-schaller-f-series-locking-guitar-tuners-6-in-line-2-pin-screwless-mount-chrome


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Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:51 pm
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I installed these a couple of years ago and have no complaints....have the "F" logo and, not a bad price..http://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/ ... 3D3WWRWXGP

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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:47 am
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A little late to the party but ..... nobody thought to pin down exactly what type of tuners the OP has?
Any answer to a question like this one without first knowing what the OP is talking about seems like a waste of time and energy to me. Just sayin'.

avenger79, could you please post a picture of the back of your headstock so we can see exactly what you have and if or how we might help steer you in the right direction to un-stickify them? Thanks.

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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:37 pm
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As the OP mentioned becoming sticky, then I would guess he has the vintage style tuners.
If that is the case Kluson offers the Deluxe which are a direct fit. They are styled in the vintage look.
slotted peg for dropping the string right in instead of threading thru the eye. The backs / covers have a small hole for allowing a drop of lubrication.

I fitted these to my 98 MIM black stratocaster. quite happy with them I believe they are 16 to 1 ratio which is always better than a 14 to 1. They are tight with no play and hold in tune for days..
The price is also quite reasonable about $60-$70...

As for a newer MIM say 2000+ then the Fender locking tuners are a direct drop in and work very well..

Of course if wanting real high end with a 21 to 1 ratio then Gotohs Delta ( mini in line are the nicest out there ) ...

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Post subject: Re: tuners
Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:00 am
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Hey guys, no pics avail right now. unfortunately did not see that request this weekend.

tuners that I have are stock on a MIM Strat. believe it is about 10 years old.

I did ask a buddy of mine who works in our local music shop and knows me well about the tuners. he immed made the same recommendation as Miami Mike.

I did look up the F style ones and they do look nice, however I do like things made in Germany LOL

I did notice on some reviews guys said they had to enleage the hole to mount the Schallers and some guys said drop in.
The F style lockers all said drops right in.

anyone know for sure if the Schallers are drop in are do they require some drilling.

I would be the first to say the guitar would survive without swapping them, but I enjoy changing it up a bit now and than, and would not mind trying the lockers.

thanks for the info so far guys.


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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 7:57 am
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There's a ton of MIM models out there and they don't all carry the same tuners, so saying they're the same as MIM is meaningless. Why not try finding a pic on the net of the exact tuners you are referring to and post that? Better yet, just use your phone and take a pic. It's not rocket science getting a pic.

If you have Kluson style tuners, the Schallers will not be a direct fit without drilling. It won't matter if you get the regular Shcallers or the Fender/Schallers. Both will require drilling into the headstock. If you have sealed tuners, the Schallers may or may not be a direct drop in replacement but a replacement may not be neccessary as the internal friction in the unit will likely be adjustable. We really need to see exactly which tuners you have or this question is essentially unanswerable.

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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:10 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
There's a ton of MIM models out there and they don't all carry the same tuners, so saying they're the same as MIM is meaningless. Why not try finding a pic on the net of the exact tuners you are referring to and post that? Better yet, just use your phone and take a pic. It's not rocket science getting a pic.

If you have Kluson style tuners, the Schallers will not be a direct fit without drilling. It won't matter if you get the regular Shcallers or the Fender/Schallers. Both will require drilling into the headstock. If you have sealed tuners, the Schallers may or may not be a direct drop in replacement but a replacement may not be neccessary as the internal friction in the unit will likely be adjustable. We really need to see exactly which tuners you have or this question is essentially unanswerable.


didn't realize they made so many different MIM versions. pretty certain mine are the sealed version.

also not rocket science is the fact that I am not near the guitar right now or I would certainly take a pic. LOL

I will get a pic tonight.

think I will hold off ordering until I have done that. it is good to know there is a place like this where folks know this much about the guitars.

thanks again


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