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Post subject: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2016 8:03 pm
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Hi all
I bought this guitar, it's comming to me..
Im the 4th owner, the previus owner told me that the he bought 2003 on Ebay, and the 2th post it as "57 eric clapton stratocaster" and Fender only made it few unit between 92 and 93 aprox. The guitar have EC Neck and 57 AVRI body but........... is poly , not nitro.
The route like as AVRI, the inspector it's "A. Murillo" but it's poly , not nitro.
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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:08 am
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EC guitar's neck should'nt have truss rod nut a body side ?
I'm not a expert .

And what serial number said ?


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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 5:56 am
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In this case doesn't have truss rod on the body side.

The serial is SE903977
The body look poly or nitro? some people say this is poly but i dont have spec if it's poly or nitro finish.
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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:41 am
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stratele52 wrote:
EC guitar's neck should'nt have truss rod nut a body side ?
I'm not a expert .

And what serial number said ?


I don't know about older models, but looking at the current EC Strats on Fender.com, the truss rod is adjusted at the head stock on them.

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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:43 pm
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Does the neck date match or is close with the body dated Oct 20ish 1992?
It has the wrong type pickups, should either be Gold Lace Sensors or Vintage Noiseless.
Does it have the EC circuit mid boost and the 9volt in the back bottom side of the tremolo?
Check Xhefri's site out,
http://xhefriguitars.com/page18.html
The serial number you have is probably from 1989, that's why I ask if neck date matches body or serial#....


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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:24 am
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hquezada wrote:


The serial is SE903977

Thanks!


Guitar Info
This guitar is from the Signature Series
made at the Corona Plant (Fender)
in 1989
Production Number: 3977

http://www.guitardaterproject.org/fender.aspx


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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:43 am
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Does the neck date match or is close with the body dated Oct 20ish 1992?
It has the wrong type pickups, should either be Gold Lace Sensors or Vintage Noiseless.
Does it have the EC circuit mid boost and the 9volt in the back bottom side of the tremolo?
Check Xhefri's site out,
http://xhefriguitars.com/page18.html
The serial number you have is probably from 1989, that's why I ask if neck date matches body or serial#....

Well put.
I am no great gun on this either but did this version not also have a cutout in the body for the active circuit as well as the one mentioned for the battery.
It is not there in the photos.
I'm sure some clapton expert will chime in with the answer.... :D


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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:08 am
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The circuitry and body are not Clapton. No route for the circuitboard, no circuitboard on the wiring. The pickups should be Lace Sensor Gold.

That said, the body could be AVRI, the worm route certainly looks right. As does the neck pocket.
The saddles should be stamped Fender, on the face of the saddle, twice. I can't see that, not to say it isn't there. The saddles aren't too visible in detail.

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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:27 am
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stratele52 wrote:
hquezada wrote:


The serial is SE903977

Thanks!


Guitar Info
This guitar is from the Signature Series
made at the Corona Plant (Fender)
in 1989
Production Number: 3977

http://www.guitardaterproject.org/fender.aspx


I wouldn't necessarily go by Guitar Dater Project; they miss a lot of the known anomalies with Fender serial numbers (and they haven't updated the site to include any Fender serial number format after 2009). Plus this isn't a "lookup" site, it only tells you if the serial number format is correct and what the serial number format should match up to if everything in the Fender serial number world was perfect. For what it's worth Fender doesn't really get close to tracking with calendar years for the serial number decals until 1993, and they only stay close through 2009 (by "close" I mean changing to the new decals some time in January of the year).

For example - the "SE9" serial number decals were used at least through 1992, and probably 1993 as well. The numbers after the "SE9" weren't necessarily sequential, either - the person decaling the necks would grab decals out of a parts bin. The neck, with a low serial number like this, is most likely a 1989, but it could also be a 1990. I believe that Fender didn't switch to the "E9" decals on the non-signature models until pretty late in 1989, and because the "SE9" decals were a separate run from the "regular" "E9" decals they took longer to use up. Fender doesn't get the Artist Series/"S" decals to match the "regular" decals until about 1994.

Since Fender won't have records on this, my best guess it this is a parts guitar where someone wanted the Clapton neck on a vintage-style body. I had never heard of anything like this coming from the factory, but with Fender you can really "never say never" since they would make anything for a dealer if they had enough orders. While FSR models require orders of 250 now, back in the day they only required an order of 50 to do an FSR run.


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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:23 am
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That said, the body could be AVRI, the worm route certainly looks right.
I have always thought that the worm route for the bridge pickup, was done after painting the guitar for fitting issues and were not re-sprayed. Of course I'm generally referring to much earlier guitars. I'm not very familiar with the AVRI series, do they put these chiseled worm routes in the AVRI by design and there for its painted?

Also wouldn't the AVRI saddles be Fender Pat. Pend.

I think at worst the op has a very nice partscaster, with a 89'-91' EC neck.


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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 11:27 am
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The only AVRI's with poly are some seventies models, AFAIK, so the "57 AVRI body" doesn't match if the finish is poly.
I'd rather go with the "vintage-style" body description John C mentioned. :wink:

Nitro dissolves in acetone while poly (and urethane) don't, so the finish could be tested - in an invisible place, of course. And another of course: at your own risk.


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Post subject: Re: Fake clapton strat or partcaster or other guitar..
Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:12 am
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The guitar is missing the cavety where the midrange boost would go. The guitar could be a '50s Style Strat. I would need to look at the neck to know this.


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