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Post subject: Re: New springs
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:27 am
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LawFlow wrote:
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To anyone - I would like to keep my bridge floating, but also find it annoying doing bends that cause the other strings to go flat as well as making the bend longer than it needs to be. Would adding more springs make it more stabled yet floating if I use 9-42 gauge strings? Is that enough string tension to keep the bridge floating with 4 or 5 springs? I'm guessing "no" since it would make sense to produce the guitars that way.


Now I just finished setup, I've gone with 5 strings eventually, so when doing bends there's a lot less movement of the bridge, so strings get less flat, almost, as you can compensate with technique, but floating bridge will always do that stock.
Mind you you have to adjust the action when done with angle of the bridge.
It's all matter of how it feels and what compromises you have to make. After all it's a Strat...
I run 10's and while doing bends other strings go less flat, and tuner proves it.
Just play around till you get what you like.
Taking all things in consideration, fizics, it tension there vs tension there vs angle vs action height vs fret buzz vs bends etc..
What feels good and sounds good it must be good.
All other specs bla bla...YouTube experts etc are making a fairy tale out of setup.
As long as it doesn't fret out, holds the tuning, has reasonable action and it intonates perfectly it's all good.
Leo designed the Strat so you can adjust pretty much everything to your desire. Your being a key word.

I think I'll go ahead and try this for myself. I can't see how setup would be affected other than loosening the claw screws to compensate for the extra spring tension. I would reset the bridge to its former height and the offsetting tension between springs and strings would not require relief, action, or intonation adjustments, only the claw adjustment. The main difference would be difficulty "dive bombing". Right?


Well "dive bombing" it's not really easy with 5 springs lol


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Post subject: Re: New springs
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:36 am
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LawFlow wrote:
I think I'll go ahead and try this for myself. I can't see how setup would be affected other than loosening the claw screws to compensate for the extra spring tension. I would reset the bridge to its former height and the offsetting tension between springs and strings would not require relief, action, or intonation adjustments, only the claw adjustment. The main difference would be difficulty "dive bombing". Right?

I have a habit to check/adjust if needed the whole setup with just about any adjusting work on a guitar.
You normal people don't have to be that OCD about the perfect setup, but in relation to the dive bomb department: A Strat trem isn't really designed for that, it's more for the shadowy slight flutter vibrato effects. (I know that many guitar heroes have used a Strat trem for amazing tricks, but then again many of them have moved to FR's and such.)
Anyway and IMHO, a divebomber Strat needs to have that perfect setup.


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Post subject: Re: New springs
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:29 am
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jmattis wrote:
LawFlow wrote:
I think I'll go ahead and try this for myself. I can't see how setup would be affected other than loosening the claw screws to compensate for the extra spring tension. I would reset the bridge to its former height and the offsetting tension between springs and strings would not require relief, action, or intonation adjustments, only the claw adjustment. The main difference would be difficulty "dive bombing". Right?

I have a habit to check/adjust if needed the whole setup with just about any adjusting work on a guitar.
You normal people don't have to be that OCD about the perfect setup, but in relation to the dive bomb department: A Strat trem isn't really designed for that, it's more for the shadowy slight flutter vibrato effects. (I know that many guitar heroes have used a Strat trem for amazing tricks, but then again many of them have moved to FR's and such.)
Anyway and IMHO, a divebomber Strat needs to have that perfect setup.


That subtle vibrato is what I was aiming for, with 3 springs it wasn't very precise for me, slight effect.
And yeah I too always check everything after every adjustment, from neck relief to string action etc...


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Post subject: Re: New springs
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 8:34 am
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update

Ok so far I'm sure tuning stability is better with 5 strings compared to 3 in /|\ order, played it last evening for an hour, tuned it perfectly and today some 18 hours later tuning is still perfect, dead on, before it would slightly drop during the night. Same strings, same temp, same bridge height.
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Post subject: Re: New springs
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:57 am
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WaymoreProta wrote:
LawFlow wrote:
WaymoreProta wrote:
LawFlow wrote:
To anyone - I would like to keep my bridge floating, but also find it annoying doing bends that cause the other strings to go flat as well as making the bend longer than it needs to be. Would adding more springs make it more stabled yet floating if I use 9-42 gauge strings? Is that enough string tension to keep the bridge floating with 4 or 5 springs? I'm guessing "no" since it would make sense to produce the guitars that way.


Now I just finished setup, I've gone with 5 strings eventually, so when doing bends there's a lot less movement of the bridge, so strings get less flat, almost, as you can compensate with technique, but floating bridge will always do that stock.
Mind you you have to adjust the action when done with angle of the bridge.
It's all matter of how it feels and what compromises you have to make. After all it's a Strat...
I run 10's and while doing bends other strings go less flat, and tuner proves it.
Just play around till you get what you like.
Taking all things in consideration, fizics, it tension there vs tension there vs angle vs action height vs fret buzz vs bends etc..
What feels good and sounds good it must be good.
All other specs bla bla...YouTube experts etc are making a fairy tale out of setup.
As long as it doesn't fret out, holds the tuning, has reasonable action and it intonates perfectly it's all good.
Leo designed the Strat so you can adjust pretty much everything to your desire. Your being a key word.

I think I'll go ahead and try this for myself. I can't see how setup would be affected other than loosening the claw screws to compensate for the extra spring tension. I would reset the bridge to its former height and the offsetting tension between springs and strings would not require relief, action, or intonation adjustments, only the claw adjustment. The main difference would be difficulty "dive bombing". Right?


Well "dive bombing" it's not really easy with 5 springs lol
OK - Only kidding about the dive bombing. I don't do that. I do like the slight vibrato effect though. Also, I regularly check my setup. It's become an obsessive compulsive thing that I need to stop. After all the comments, I definitely want to try this. Where did you get your springs. Did you buy online?


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Post subject: Re: New springs
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2016 1:50 pm
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LawFlow wrote:
WaymoreProta wrote:
LawFlow wrote:
WaymoreProta wrote:
LawFlow wrote:
To anyone - I would like to keep my bridge floating, but also find it annoying doing bends that cause the other strings to go flat as well as making the bend longer than it needs to be. Would adding more springs make it more stabled yet floating if I use 9-42 gauge strings? Is that enough string tension to keep the bridge floating with 4 or 5 springs? I'm guessing "no" since it would make sense to produce the guitars that way.


Now I just finished setup, I've gone with 5 strings eventually, so when doing bends there's a lot less movement of the bridge, so strings get less flat, almost, as you can compensate with technique, but floating bridge will always do that stock.
Mind you you have to adjust the action when done with angle of the bridge.
It's all matter of how it feels and what compromises you have to make. After all it's a Strat...
I run 10's and while doing bends other strings go less flat, and tuner proves it.
Just play around till you get what you like.
Taking all things in consideration, fizics, it tension there vs tension there vs angle vs action height vs fret buzz vs bends etc..
What feels good and sounds good it must be good.
All other specs bla bla...YouTube experts etc are making a fairy tale out of setup.
As long as it doesn't fret out, holds the tuning, has reasonable action and it intonates perfectly it's all good.
Leo designed the Strat so you can adjust pretty much everything to your desire. Your being a key word.

I think I'll go ahead and try this for myself. I can't see how setup would be affected other than loosening the claw screws to compensate for the extra spring tension. I would reset the bridge to its former height and the offsetting tension between springs and strings would not require relief, action, or intonation adjustments, only the claw adjustment. The main difference would be difficulty "dive bombing". Right?


Well "dive bombing" it's not really easy with 5 springs lol
OK - Only kidding about the dive bombing. I don't do that. I do like the slight vibrato effect though. Also, I regularly check my setup. It's become an obsessive compulsive thing that I need to stop. After all the comments, I definitely want to try this. Where did you get your springs. Did you buy online?


No, I bought it in a store localy, I'm not in US. They were about 10 euros a set.


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