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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 5:50 pm
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Peter S wrote:
Thanks Larry - already ordered some '0000'!

So I shouldn't just use it straight on the neck? I need some sort of lubricant? The mineral oil I see for sale in England seems to be related to either cooking or pharma! Would it be one of them, please? Sorry to bug you!

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Hey Peter S - I mentioned oil only as an alternative lubricant to wax which I don't recommend at all for what you're doing. As BMW stated, the '0000' wool is fine. It's like using cloth and probably doesn't need lubricant. You're just wanting to knock off the shine a little. It will still shine, just not as much. Again, good luck and take it slow to see how it does. BTW - the mineral oil would be something like rosewood fingerboard oil, ie "lemon' oil, Dr. Stringfellow, that sort of thing. It would be messy.


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 7:08 pm
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I tend to agree that wirewool might be a bit of a pain. What about scotchbright (abrasive cloth a bit like a pan scourer) comes in varying grades. Failing that, 1200 grit wet,n,dry. Soak the paper in water first.
Do not use oil. It will be a nightmare to get of and make the cut uneven.

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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:44 am
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OK thanks, Larry - as you suggest, no oil, and I'll take it easy and see what happens!

John, the wire wool's on its way so I'll see how it goes!

Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:47 am
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Peter S wrote:
Jmattis - yes, your previous post re the sandpaper cure was what I read, thanks. I'm a practical bloke who does a fair bit of woodwork, but still a bit concerned that I might do some damage. It's not that I'm particularly precious about this CS Strat - I put string trees on it because I considered them necessary - but I don't want to risk something that can't be reversed!

Just a comment there: any abrasive method you choose (playing a helluvalot, steel wool, wet/dry paper, abrasive sponges, power grinder...) does the same job. They take off the top layer of the finish lacquer and leave the surface matt. The choise between those is mainly which "feels right"; is easiest to use/control/etc. They're not irreversible but repolish/refinish is of course a bit overkill. Practising on scrap wood with the materials and method is always wise. And, if you have a chance, check how you like the Roadworn series necks.

I'm not a fan of chemical wonder products (= string lubricant types) on guitars, but I know players who like those. Plenty of brands to choose from if you take that road, just make sure it's nitro safe.

PS: I don't bold all the text above although it may seem like that. It's a forum update glitch - this week they've been trying to make us believe everything we write is really meaningful.


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2016 9:19 am
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Thanks mate - all noted.

I don't think I really meant 'reversed'. Agreed, I won't want to reverse it as such. Just wouldn't want to do anything too radical! As everyone says - just take the gloss off a bit...

Yes, everything's in bold at the moment!

Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:47 pm
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I hate sticky necks, so I found two ways you can go with, one is simple and it using a furniture polish, it gets super slick and you can slide all over the neck, when it comes off apply it again.
The second being a steel wool or the finest sandpaper, I do a lot of car detailing etc...so as for the neck of such a guitar I would remove the neck and use the least abrasive wool/sand paper to matt it. If sandpaper I would use the ones that need water to lubricate, so a wet sending with finest grit avaliable is something I would start with.
Best of luck.


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:08 am
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WaymoreProta wrote:
using a furniture polish

Being a Roy Buchanan fan, many moons ago I tried his Lemon Pledge trick, but didn't like it; it seemed to become even stickier if not reapplied often. Plus, there were "some" complaints about the scent.
But, based on my own experience with that one nitro finished Tele only, Lemon Pledge is nitro safe... :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:56 am
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jmattis wrote:
WaymoreProta wrote:
using a furniture polish

Being a Roy Buchanan fan, many moons ago I tried his Lemon Pledge trick, but didn't like it; it seemed to become even stickier if not reapplied often. Plus, there were "some" complaints about the scent.
But, based on my own experience with that one nitro finished Tele only, Lemon Pledge is nitro safe... :wink:
Lemon Pledge absolutely leaves a buid up!

Formula 409 Glass and Surface Cleaner (not the All purpose version) will clean your neck and guitar safely. You may need to use it twice or even three times if it is realy dirty. Then you can use a small amount of liquid automotive carnauba wax product such as Mother's or Maguire's. I've seen vintage guitar techs use these on guitars worth over $10k w/o concern!

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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:08 pm
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MusicLaw wrote:
jmattis wrote:
WaymoreProta wrote:
using a furniture polish

Being a Roy Buchanan fan, many moons ago I tried his Lemon Pledge trick, but didn't like it; it seemed to become even stickier if not reapplied often. Plus, there were "some" complaints about the scent.
But, based on my own experience with that one nitro finished Tele only, Lemon Pledge is nitro safe... :wink:
Lemon Pledge absolutely leaves a buid up!

Formula 409 Glass and Surface Cleaner (not the All purpose version) will clean your neck and guitar safely. You may need to use it twice or even three times if it is realy dirty. Then you can use a small amount of liquid automotive carnauba wax product such as Mother's or Maguire's. I've seen vintage guitar techs use these on guitars worth over $10k w/o concern!


Yeah, or PTFE car wax... Good idea to use automotive wax, be carnauba or PTFE or both..


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:57 am
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Well chaps, just finished the neck with 0000 wire wool and can report complete success!

I only gave it 2 or 3 minutes total (you can always do more but you can't do less!) and it's visibly taken the shine off, but without making it look like a relic. It now seems as slick as my AmStds, but if it isn't I'll just give it a bit more.

So thanks a lot for all suggestions. I know polish works, but as we all agree, it doesn't last. Hopefully this one will!

Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 6:39 am
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Peter S wrote:
Well chaps, just finished the neck with 0000 wire wool and can report complete success!

I only gave it 2 or 3 minutes total (you can always do more but you can't do less!) and it's visibly taken the shine off, but without making it look like a relic. It now seems as slick as my AmStds, but if it isn't I'll just give it a bit more.

So thanks a lot for all suggestions. I know polish works, but as we all agree, it doesn't last. Hopefully this one will!

Cheers - Peter.


Great! How's the feel?
Can you post pics?


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:47 am
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jmattis wrote:
Just a comment there: any abrasive method you choose (playing a helluvalot, steel wool, wet/dry paper, abrasive sponges, power grinder...) does the same job. They take off the top layer of the finish lacquer and leave the surface matt.

Mostly, but not completely true. Some techniques will penetrate the top layer(s) of the finish, but not remove them. A pumice roller is my favorite, but a laminating bristle roller might work well too.
Or coarse sanding paper placed statically against the lacquer, and then the back of the paper rubbed or rolled. I've used that technique on a shellac table before - shot glasses would stick to it (and after the first few shots, coasters tend to be forgotten).

Dean Zelinsky takes this technique (holes in the lacquer, not matting) to the extreme with the Z-glide necks:

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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 7:57 am
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How's the feel?

As I say, like an American Standard!

I'd love to put a picture on but I'm not very computer-savvy. I understand you use Photobucket, so I've opened an account and managed to put a sample photo on there, but how do you get that onto a post on this forum? Any advice needs to be suitable for idiots, please...!

Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:55 am
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Peter S wrote:
Well chaps, just finished the neck with 0000 wire wool and can report complete success!

I only gave it 2 or 3 minutes total (you can always do more but you can't do less!) and it's visibly taken the shine off, but without making it look like a relic. It now seems as slick as my AmStds, but if it isn't I'll just give it a bit more.

So thanks a lot for all suggestions. I know polish works, but as we all agree, it doesn't last. Hopefully this one will!

Cheers - Peter.
Yay! I'm really happy this worked out for you. It's a good feeling to take a chance on something and be successful. :)


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Post subject: Re: Sticky neck!
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 9:12 am
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Thanks Larry!

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OK, I'm trying the Photobucket thing again. I've right-clicked on the photo and left-clicked Copy Link Location. Then pasted into IMG brackets on this post.

If it works out, you can see how glossy the back of the headstock was, as the reflection of the window shows up. The neck was the same. On the other photo, you can hopefully see that the neck's not glossy at all. Rather difficult to photograph, though...

If the photos don't work, perhaps someone can put me right!

Cheers - Peter.


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