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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:20 pm
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Here's the pictures of the headstock with tuners:

Thanks, John C is right as usual.
I call this the cost cutter model, used to compete w/ all the knock off models of the times.
It would be worth more if it said "Made in Japan" on the bottom of the neck.
I cant explain it not having the EE serial#(export only). But I think yours pre-dates the EE #'s. That neck is beefy and no truss rod to cut costs further.
So, how does it sound and play?
BTW, are you a lefty player, I assume so since the strap lock is on the lower horn?
You could preserve the current parts and upgrade the electronics/bridge if you wanted to.


When I saw these, I was baffled. I saw them once and then never again. I couldn't find them in any literature at the time. They were a complete mystery.


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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:34 am
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sfceric64 wrote:
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BTW, are you a lefty player, I assume so since the strap lock is on the lower horn?
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Last photo show it on upper horn :?


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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:45 am
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sfceric64 wrote:
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Here's the pictures of the headstock with tuners:

Thanks, John C is right as usual.
I call this the cost cutter model, used to compete w/ all the knock off models of the times.
It would be worth more if it said "Made in Japan" on the bottom of the neck.
I cant explain it not having the EE serial#(export only). But I think yours pre-dates the EE #'s. That neck is beefy and no truss rod to cut costs further.
So, how does it sound and play?
BTW, are you a lefty player, I assume so since the strap lock is on the lower horn?
You could preserve the current parts and upgrade the electronics/bridge if you wanted to.

Thanks for your extra input sfceric64.

So I've got a cost-cutter model!

Regarding the EE serial number, here's where it gets even more confusing...

The guitar came with an US Fender Inspection Tag that had a different serial number on it (EGFN14**):

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And on the receipt I got when I purchased it, the EGFN14** serial number is on it:

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As I was only 21 at the time I bought it, I didn't spot the discrepancy between the serial number on the neck and the serial number on the receipt and inspection tag.

The Make and Model is given as Fender LE Strat - whatever that means. I seem to remember the guitar shop salesman saying something about the price of this Strat being lower that a full USA Strat because it was Made in the USA and assembled in Mexico (or the other way around!). Is that a possibility?

Would the MADE IN U.S.A. suggest that the neck was made in the USA? Why would it be more valuable if it said Made In Japan on the neck?

Regarding how it sounds and plays, I'm no guitar aficionado but it sounds fine to me. Everything is working too as I've not really used it that much over the years.

Yes - I'm a lefty and a big Hendrix fan - hence why I got a right handed Strat and turned everything around.


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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:53 am
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stratele52 wrote:
sfceric64 wrote:
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BTW, are you a lefty player, I assume so since the strap lock is on the lower horn?
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Last photo show it on upper horn :?

I can see why you're confused stratele52!

I'm a left-handed player and so the strap lock was on the lower horn so it was my upper horn when I'm playing it.

In the past couple of days, I moved it back to the proper upper horn because I'm switching everything back to right-handed as I'm thinking of selling it.


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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:58 am
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Why would it be more valuable if it said Made In Japan on the neck?

Because they are very good guitar for many people.


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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:41 am
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Like the Hwy1, I believe the parts were made outside of the United States and then assembled in the US to get the "made in USA."

This is the same with the Ford Mustang. My '05 was made in the US, but the engine was made in Mexico. This is an interesting thread.


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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 5:44 am
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ShaunOreilly wrote:
sfceric64 wrote:
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Here's the pictures of the headstock with tuners:

Thanks, John C is right as usual.
I call this the cost cutter model, used to compete w/ all the knock off models of the times.
It would be worth more if it said "Made in Japan" on the bottom of the neck.
I cant explain it not having the EE serial#(export only). But I think yours pre-dates the EE #'s. That neck is beefy and no truss rod to cut costs further.
So, how does it sound and play?
BTW, are you a lefty player, I assume so since the strap lock is on the lower horn?
You could preserve the current parts and upgrade the electronics/bridge if you wanted to.

Thanks for your extra input sfceric64.

So I've got a cost-cutter model!

Regarding the EE serial number, here's where it gets even more confusing...

The guitar came with an US Fender Inspection Tag that had a different serial number on it (EGFN14**):

Image

And on the receipt I got when I purchased it, the EGFN14** serial number is on it:

Image

As I was only 21 at the time I bought it, I didn't spot the discrepancy between the serial number on the neck and the serial number on the receipt and inspection tag.

The Make and Model is given as Fender LE Strat - whatever that means. I seem to remember the guitar shop salesman saying something about the price of this Strat being lower that a full USA Strat because it was Made in the USA and assembled in Mexico (or the other way around!). Is that a possibility?

Would the MADE IN U.S.A. suggest that the neck was made in the USA? Why would it be more valuable if it said Made In Japan on the neck?

Regarding how it sounds and plays, I'm no guitar aficionado but it sounds fine to me. Everything is working too as I've not really used it that much over the years.

Yes - I'm a lefty and a big Hendrix fan - hence why I got a right handed Strat and turned everything around.


"LE" could stand for "Limited Edition"


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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:13 am
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paris wrote:
Like the Hwy1, I believe the parts were made outside of the United States and then assembled in the US to get the "made in USA."

This is the same with the Ford Mustang. My '05 was made in the US, but the engine was made in Mexico. This is an interesting thread.

Thanks for your input paris.

Does your Mustang have a US serial number or a Mexican one?

Yeah - LE could stand for Limited Edition but I'm not sure if that's what mine is.


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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:27 am
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Sorry to say, but what you bought is one thing and what is on the receipt is another thing. You can't have two serial numbers on a guitar, or on anything for that matter. Is the store still in business?

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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:32 am
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ShaunOreilly wrote:
paris wrote:
Like the Hwy1, I believe the parts were made outside of the United States and then assembled in the US to get the "made in USA."

This is the same with the Ford Mustang. My '05 was made in the US, but the engine was made in Mexico. This is an interesting thread.

Thanks for your input paris.

Does your Mustang have a US serial number or a Mexican one?

Yeah - LE could stand for Limited Edition but I'm not sure if that's what mine is.


My Mustang is a car. :) I bought it new in '05. Minerial Gray (kind of like pewder). Manual Transmission.


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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 6:40 am
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80sGuy wrote:
Sorry to say, but what you bought is one thing and what is on the receipt is another thing. You can't have two serial numbers on a guitar, or on anything for that matter. Is the store still in business?

The store were in business for many years after I bought the guitar from them. They weren't a shady operation or anything and had many stores in the region. The same store is still where I bought it but they now have a different name - not sure if it was a group buyout or anything.

Like I said, it's a confusing one!


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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:24 pm
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Like 80's guy said, there can be only one serial #.
Most likely the Fender hang tag w/ the store sticker and number are for the stores inventory control. Or that number could indicate the model number, which would have been available back in those days. I would guess either way the number is irrelevant, the headstock is the correct location for the serial number.
I missed the switch back of the strap lock in the last photo.
Is there a neck date on the butt of the neck?
If I were selling the guitar, I would call it a 1987-1988 export model "made in USA" w/ Japanese parts Fender Stratocaster. I would list the body as a US made Squire. I would explain the serial number as best you can but would clearly state that it is not a "MIJ" guitar.


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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 12:47 pm
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sfceric64 wrote:
Like 80's guy said, there can be only one serial #.
Most likely the Fender hang tag w/ the store sticker and number are for the stores inventory control. Or that number could indicate the model number, which would have been available back in those days. I would guess either way the number is irrelevant, the headstock is the correct location for the serial number.
I missed the switch back of the strap lock in the last photo.
Is there a neck date on the butt of the neck?
If I were selling the guitar, I would call it a 1987-1988 export model "made in USA" w/ Japanese parts Fender Stratocaster. I would list the body as a US made Squire. I would explain the serial number as best you can but would clearly state that it is not a "MIJ" guitar.

I'm your guy. I'll get to you with a price tonight when I get home. Being that it's "USA Assembled" it's not going fetch the same price as the regular US Am. Stratocasters of this period. If possible, I would add a video showing how well the guitar sounds.


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Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 1:30 pm
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paris wrote:
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. If possible, I would add a video showing how well the guitar sounds.


On the Web everything sound good and or same. I never choose gear by listening them through mp3.

If you like your guitar this is a great guitar for you.


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Post subject: Re: Spot the Strat
Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2016 2:09 pm
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sfceric64 wrote:
Like 80's guy said, there can be only one serial #.
Most likely the Fender hang tag w/ the store sticker and number are for the stores inventory control. Or that number could indicate the model number, which would have been available back in those days. I would guess either way the number is irrelevant, the headstock is the correct location for the serial number.
I missed the switch back of the strap lock in the last photo.
Is there a neck date on the butt of the neck?
If I were selling the guitar, I would call it a 1987-1988 export model "made in USA" w/ Japanese parts Fender Stratocaster. I would list the body as a US made Squire. I would explain the serial number as best you can but would clearly state that it is not a "MIJ" guitar.

I didn't spot a date on the neck when I took it apart last (just a date on the body in the neck recess).

Thanks for your help sfceric64 on coming up with a good way to describe the guitar if I sell it. I only want to list it accurately and not call it anything that it isn't. So, no MIJ or fully made in USA.

Thanks again.


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