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Post subject: Re: Shielding questions Strat deluxe plus (personality card)
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:42 am
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N3s are humbuckers, and ground shielding around them doesn't do much more than the pickup itself does already. EM noise coming through the air is going to be cancelled out anyhow, so noise will likely be RF signals transmitted through the guitar cable. Shielding doesn't stop that.

A ferrite core or balun plug (which has the secondary effect of working like a ferrite core) on the guitar cable might help more.


Exactly what I thought. N3's are Humbuckers. Looking at sfceric64's post. The problem is obviously the outlet at the house. Buy a power conditioner. Furman do decent ones.

Shielding just plain old doesn't work. Well, work well enough for me to ever consider it anyway. It doesn't stop interference coming in at the point where it comes in the most, the top of the pickup that actually picks up the noise. It adds a load of capacitance to the circuit.

Also I'd be wary of shielding an active guitar. Shorting that circuitboard on the shielding doesn't look like fun to me.

These work pretty well, if your amp has a loop, it'll work in the loop too.

http://www.amazon.com/Joyo-JF-31-Noise- ... B00DHIFJ80

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Post subject: Re: Shielding questions Strat deluxe plus (personality card)
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:03 am
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I've noticed that Mystic Ice Blue apears almost silver in most photos. I've tried to photograph my Dlx Strat Plus to explain how great it looks, but the photos always fall short.


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Post subject: Re: Shielding questions Strat deluxe plus (personality card)
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:01 pm
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Exactly what I thought. N3's are Humbuckers. Looking at sfceric64's post. The problem is obviously the outlet at the house. Buy a power conditioner. Furman do decent ones.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.

The op is elusive or busy living, I like this one on Amazon. Its the cheapest power conditioner I would consider under $25.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002D017M/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0002D017M&linkCode=as2&tag=compurecorstu-20&linkId=BXGJAUMBH7C6HARO

I don't think he needs a noise gate, but maybe after all that under guard work he might.
I think the tube gain reduction will work as well.
But if the interference is coming in via his cable, neither the conditioner nor the lower gain tubes will help.


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Post subject: Re: Shielding questions Strat deluxe plus (personality card)
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:10 pm
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No, it won't help with this specific problem. However I think that if someone is bothered by noise. A serviceable noisegate that doesn't cost a lot is worth while. I use that exact gate. I play with excessive levels of gain. I mean, really obscene amounts. It does the job for me, I never have the threshold dial past 11 o'clock.

I don't think it's a valve problem. A friend of mine makes electric mandolins. Those things have mega output pickups on them. I have the same wind, same magnets albeit in a larger housing. On my telecaster. That guitar pushes amps nearly as hard as the EMG equipped guitars I have. Pete insists on them being pretty standard as far as electric mando's go. The first thing you'd hear is valve microphonics.

Your deductions about the power supply are spot on though. Too often, myself included. We look to the usual culprit and get locked there. Because Strats hum, all rig noise must be down to the Strat. Well not always.

Top work, well thought out.

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Post subject: Re: Shielding questions Strat deluxe plus (personality card)
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:47 pm
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Hey everyone,

Thank you for all of your replies and suggestions.

So do you think I should try a noise gate or a power conditioner first?

This is the conditioner I would get http://www.amazon.com/Furman-M-8X2-Outl ... rman+m-8x2

and I would just follow the advice on the noise gate above.

I have tried unplugging just about anything in the house and trying different outlets and nothing helped there.


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Post subject: Re: Shielding questions Strat deluxe plus (personality card)
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:35 pm
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It's probably the supply into the house.

http://www.dirtyelectricity.ca/

The electricity here is filthy. Because of the way the area was built over time. My house is on an old army barracks. The supply lines for gas, water and power haven't been updated since WW2. It causes all sorts of spikes.

The noisegate is not a solution to your problem. A power conditioner is. It'll smooth out the supply for anything that is plugged into it.
The noisegate, I mentioned because if noise is bothering you. Then that cheapo gate works well. I paid £20 for mine. I find it invaluable now. For that sort of price it's worth having a play with.

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Post subject: Re: Shielding questions Strat deluxe plus (personality card)
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:48 pm
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Hey everyone,
So unfortunate news the power conditioner did not work. I am thinking about calling an electrician because I don't know what else to do.


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Post subject: Re: Shielding questions Strat deluxe plus (personality card)
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 3:48 pm
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I'm sorry to say but I think this issue was taken as far as possible in the first thread. It has to be coming from the environment or power supply at your house. It doesn't happen at your moms place so its not a problem with the amp or guitar... It is probably the power station (300 yards away). You have a fine setup (guitar & amp)with a power conditioner and humbucking pickups, and its all shielded. IMHO I don't think any guitar or amp related changes are going to work, I suppose an electrician with experience in this type of issue may be of help. Chocking the cables may help, truth is that all these remedy's are meant to improve normal noise like florescent lighting or your girlfriends hair dryer. I think your location issue may be just too noisy to overcome. I'm sure if I was in your position I would keep chewing on it, it would bug the heck out if me as well. I think Arth1 mentioned a faraday cage ,lol, if that doesn't fix it I don't think anything will.


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Post subject: Re: Shielding questions Strat deluxe plus (personality card)
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:38 pm
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So before you bought the conditioner I presume you determined it was mains borne rather than thru the ether.... ? :D


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Post subject: Re: Shielding questions Strat deluxe plus (personality card)
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:56 pm
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Sorry that didn't work for you. Unfortunately, some noise issues require trying multiple things to determine exactly were they are created in your chain.
PM sent.
That's also why I recommend the cheapest $ product that I believe would solve the issue, nobody wants to throw cash at problems w/o getting results. Take back the power conditioner.
Also, where I may have recommended premium US made JAN tubes, by all means spend as little as you can to pinpoint the issue. You could also try a 12at7 in place of the 12ax7 if a 5751 doesn't help. Then get the better stuff, they have gone up in price over the last year or so.
The stuff about the guitar ground that I mentioned in the PM, shouldn't cost more than a few dollars. Get the Fender part, it has solder points on the lug which will make it easier.
Feel free to PM me if you have questions/need or want any help further.


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