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Post subject: Need help from expert..
Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:25 pm
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Hello,

I, Recently bought this guitar for USD860..
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The serial number on the neck
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The serial number on the body
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I Have a few questions i want to ask if u guys dont mind,

1. I checked the serial number from few webs says that the manufacturing date is from "Nov 1978 - Aug 1981"
The question is, how can i know the exact years? Checked it, no pencil writing on the body or neck..

2. This is the pictures when i open up the bridge..
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There are big holes beside the screw holes.. and i checked its quite old.. what is that holes for? i thought maybe this guitar has specific bridge for it since maybe the bridge was replaced? Or maybe manufacturing defect? Any idea? I dont think people stupid enough to make that holes and what its for? right?

Thanks in advance :)


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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 7:27 pm
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Ahh.. i cant see the pictures..
how to upload picture? i use photobucket..

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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:56 pm
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Interesting piece - I believe you're correct that it's had a different bridge on it at some point, but it has been restored to the factory bridge. It could have been a Floyd Rose, or some kind of Floyd Rose copy based on those two larger extra holes by the bridge. Plus it looks like there are holes on the headstock that have been filled in. It also kind of looks like it might have had a Floyd Rose nut on it at some point, and it has also been removed and restored.

About the age - is there a code stamped on the heel of the neck? It would be on the edge, not on the flat part where the label where the names are stamped. It could be 8 digits (it would be XXXX - XXXX) or it could be 4 digits (XXXX); that would tell you the date the neck was completed. Also look for numbers on the pots and on the pickups. Here's a link to a webpage with info on reading the codes:

http://www.strat-central.com/70sstrats/

It's difficult to date these if there isn't a stamp (since the S9xxxxx serial numbers were used from 1979-1981), but there are some clues to look for, like the shielding paint, kind of bobbins for the pickups, even the shape of the shield under the pickguard.


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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:04 pm
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John C wrote:
Interesting piece - I believe you're correct that it's had a different bridge on it at some point, but it has been restored to the factory bridge. It could have been a Floyd Rose, or some kind of Floyd Rose copy based on those two larger extra holes by the bridge. Plus it looks like there are holes on the headstock that have been filled in. It also kind of looks like it might have had a Floyd Rose nut on it at some point, and it has also been removed and restored.

About the age - is there a code stamped on the heel of the neck? It would be on the edge, not on the flat part where the label where the names are stamped. It could be 8 digits (it would be XXXX - XXXX) or it could be 4 digits (XXXX); that would tell you the date the neck was completed. Also look for numbers on the pots and on the pickups. Here's a link to a webpage with info on reading the codes:

http://www.strat-central.com/70sstrats/

It's difficult to date these if there isn't a stamp (since the S9xxxxx serial numbers were used from 1979-1981), but there are some clues to look for, like the shielding paint, kind of bobbins for the pickups, even the shape of the shield under the pickguard.


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I concur -- the instrument had an alternate tailpiece and a locking nut installed at one time.

The heavily-figured ash body and black accouterments suggest a '76 through '81 vintage.

How much does the guitar weigh?

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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 10:26 pm
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I think that notch for the ground lug was introduced in 79 and as per the serial so all good.
Pretty reasonable price for a modded guitar of that vintage.. :D


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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:05 pm
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John C wrote:
Interesting piece - I believe you're correct that it's had a different bridge on it at some point, but it has been restored to the factory bridge. It could have been a Floyd Rose, or some kind of Floyd Rose copy based on those two larger extra holes by the bridge. Plus it looks like there are holes on the headstock that have been filled in. It also kind of looks like it might have had a Floyd Rose nut on it at some point, and it has also been removed and restored.

About the age - is there a code stamped on the heel of the neck? It would be on the edge, not on the flat part where the label where the names are stamped. It could be 8 digits (it would be XXXX - XXXX) or it could be 4 digits (XXXX); that would tell you the date the neck was completed. Also look for numbers on the pots and on the pickups. Here's a link to a webpage with info on reading the codes:

http://www.strat-central.com/70sstrats/

It's difficult to date these if there isn't a stamp (since the S9xxxxx serial numbers were used from 1979-1981), but there are some clues to look for, like the shielding paint, kind of bobbins for the pickups, even the shape of the shield under the pickguard.


Hello sir,

after read your post, i realize that this guitar was floydrose.. i double checked the neck..and yes..there is a space look like we can put a locking nut..but the they do the job very professional, i cant tell before.. im very lack of knowledge about this.. :)

About the age, i open up once again and look for the code stamped at the heel of the neck..i didnt see any.. nothing on the heel..maybe on the flat surface, its covered by the sticker but i think twice to peel it off.. :)
As for the pot, i checked it and i doubt its original..there is no number at the side.. this is the picture..
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Thanks for the website, its very usefull.. by the way..what should i do? should i restore to original like putting the locking nut and floydrose or just let it be like that? if it's u, what would u do?


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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:14 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
John C wrote:
Interesting piece - I believe you're correct that it's had a different bridge on it at some point, but it has been restored to the factory bridge. It could have been a Floyd Rose, or some kind of Floyd Rose copy based on those two larger extra holes by the bridge. Plus it looks like there are holes on the headstock that have been filled in. It also kind of looks like it might have had a Floyd Rose nut on it at some point, and it has also been removed and restored.

About the age - is there a code stamped on the heel of the neck? It would be on the edge, not on the flat part where the label where the names are stamped. It could be 8 digits (it would be XXXX - XXXX) or it could be 4 digits (XXXX); that would tell you the date the neck was completed. Also look for numbers on the pots and on the pickups. Here's a link to a webpage with info on reading the codes:

http://www.strat-central.com/70sstrats/

It's difficult to date these if there isn't a stamp (since the S9xxxxx serial numbers were used from 1979-1981), but there are some clues to look for, like the shielding paint, kind of bobbins for the pickups, even the shape of the shield under the pickguard.


+1

I concur -- the instrument had an alternate tailpiece and a locking nut installed at one time.

The heavily-figured ash body and black accouterments suggest a '76 through '81 vintage.

How much does the guitar weigh?

Arjay


After checked through.. i can see the locknut space and realize the hole was made for the floydrose bridge.. and thanks for the info.. about the weight..its quite heavy compare to my other strat.. i dont have appropriate weight scale..but i can tell its 9.5lbs for the whole guitar.. heavy right?

If u were me..what would u do? restore to original or let it be like that? :)


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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:26 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:
I think that notch for the ground lug was introduced in 79 and as per the serial so all good.
Pretty reasonable price for a modded guitar of that vintage.. :D


Oicc..nice info.. to be honest, im a little bit sad after i know this guitar was modified.. im thinking about to restore to an original shape since i know a shop who can do it professionally.. :)
maybe im sending my guitar to this shop.. what do u think??
https://www.facebook.com/theguitarhospital/?fref=ts


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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:56 pm
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Nine and a half pounds is about average for guitars from that era. I once owned a 1978 Silver Anniversary Strat that tipped the scales at nearly 14 lbs. It sounded great but that northern ash body was just too heavy for routine stage use.

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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:10 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Nine and a half pounds is about average for guitars from that era. I once owned a 1978 Silver Anniversary Strat that tipped the scales at nearly 14 lbs. It sounded great but that northern ash body was just too heavy for routine stage use.

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Oic.. nice info.. thanks..
as for the question, if u were me, what would u do? restore to original or let it be?


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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:12 am
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I suspect due to the manufacturing date of your strat that it originally had a vintage bridge then someone modified it by placing a floyd rose style bridge on it.
It was then restored to a vintage style... :D


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jimmy_james wrote:
I suspect due to the manufacturing date of your strat that it originally had a vintage bridge then someone modified it by placing a floyd rose style bridge on it.
It was then restored to a vintage style... :D


That was my thought. It was modified and has already been returned to its original form.

I assume the headstock has been blown over with a tinted lacquer to hide the repair in removing the roller nut.

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John Sims wrote:
I assume the headstock has been blown over with a tinted lacquer to hide the repair in removing the roller nut.


That's the only conceivable reason IMO.

The guitar seems to be in pretty good shape considering the nature of its "journey" through the intervening years. I would remove that horrid plastic from the pickguard though. I'll bet it sounds great plugged into a 5F6-A Bassman or a Vibroverb.

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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:08 am
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jimmy_james wrote:
I suspect due to the manufacturing date of your strat that it originally had a vintage bridge then someone modified it by placing a floyd rose style bridge on it.
It was then restored to a vintage style... :D


u were saying that the bridge is not a floyd rose style at first it came out from factory?? i thought so too.. but how do we explain the neck? i can see the locking nut space there..


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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:15 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
John Sims wrote:
I assume the headstock has been blown over with a tinted lacquer to hide the repair in removing the roller nut.


That's the only conceivable reason IMO.

The guitar seems to be in pretty good shape considering the nature of its "journey" through the intervening years. I would remove that horrid plastic from the pickguard though. I'll bet it sounds great plugged into a 5F6-A Bassman or a Vibroverb.

Arjay


Haha.. i will remove the plastic.. :) i dont know what to do with this guitar..
May i ask a question?? if i send to restore everything including paint.. the paint will effect the sound? i heard from a few people if we paint the body, the sound will never be as good as i have now.. any idea?


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