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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 6:45 am
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Humm, I see too much marketing :(
I keep my deluxe for sure.
I don't dig the new Compound Back Shape, what the heel is this LOL. Compound radius why not but I was not a fan....

I don't see new idea in "new cutaway neck heel" it was already the case on my second generation american deluxe ash strat.

Well, if i were to the point of buying a good strat today, I'll definitively go to American standard strat with fat 50's pickups !!!!!

Weston presidio has done bad this time......


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:37 am
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jmattis wrote:
BTW, no Micro-Tilt™ on Elites..?


Yep, no Micro-Tilt on the new products; neither the Elites nor that The Edge Signature Strat have it, even though The Edge Strat has the old American Deluxe/Jeff Beck Signature style contoured neck heel.


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:55 am
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largol1 wrote:
Humm, I see too much marketing :(
I keep my deluxe for sure.
I don't dig the new Compound Back Shape, what the heel is this LOL. Compound radius why not but I was not a fan....

I don't see new idea in "new cutaway neck heel" it was already the case on my second generation american deluxe ash strat.

Well, if i were to the point of buying a good strat today, I'll definitively go to American standard strat with fat 50's pickups !!!!!

Weston presidio has done bad this time......


I guess they have to do something new - as posted very early in this thread Fender has done a major update to the American Deluxe every 6 year; the last generation finished its 6th year in 2015.

I have owned 2 American Deluxe Strats - I had a first generation that I got in 1998, and I had a second generation V-neck version that I got in 2004. Neither one lasted more than a year with me. I bypassed the 3rd generation after trying a few out in stores. I will try the American Elites out, but a D-shaped neck has never been my thing but you never know until you try it. I didn't even really like the American Standards until they changed to the CS pickups, but to me that really brought both the Strat and Tele to life. Once that happened for my needs the only thing the American Deluxes had that was a "must have" was the locking tuners - which is an easy upgrade during a string change on an American Standard.


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:31 am
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largol1 wrote:
I don't see new idea in "new cutaway neck heel" it was already the case on my second generation american deluxe ash strat.


It's different. The old deluxe cutaway neck heel was tapered, going from cut at the plate to square where it met the neck.
The new one is cut all the way, which means less contact surface, and no micro-tilt.

I think it's doubtful whether someone with a new Elite can use a standard neck and get it stable. If not, and the new neck doesn't catch on enough for Fender to make them as replacement necks, users might be left in the cold, cannibalizing parts.


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:29 pm
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I've still been digging into that Strat wiring diagram; and remember: I'm no electronics expert :wink:
The N4's, advertised as "a quantum leap in pickup technology" get my attention. The previous noiselesses... well, to this day I've had no definite answer if they're stacked humbuckers or single coils with a dummy coil or something else. The new N4's, with three wires and the 'diminished volume' seems to point at a built-in coil tapping(/splitting?) option, right?
And besides that, the stagger pattern is way modern.

But, to fully believe the quantumleapish aspect, I need a bit more - like totally new sounds straight outta Heaven from some guitar hero :twisted:


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:14 pm
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jmattis wrote:
The N4's, advertised as "a quantum leap in pickup technology" get my attention.

Mine too. It means that someone in marketing is pretty clueless about what "quantum leap" means. It does not mean "big leap", but either of:

1: The tiniest leap possible, with an electron shifting from one orbital to another.
2: An instantaneous and complete transition from one state to another.

The latter is the colloquial use.
And that's definitely not what the N4 is. They still sell the N3, for one thing.


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:49 pm
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Well of course the SCNs are a stacked humbucker and I suspect with a value of 10k the N4s probably are too.
I see they are using alnico 5.
The diagram shows a resistor on the switch and though I have not worked thru it this may be used to attenuate volume.... :D


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:07 am
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jimmy_james wrote:
Well of course the SCNs are a stacked humbucker

Why "of course"? They're stacked, but as said, I'm lacking a definite answer if coil #2 is a dummy or a workhorse.

On the N4's, the kΩ-reading may give some pointers, but one can't guess the pickup type from resistance alone - e.g. Lollar makes very low kΩ humbuckers, BareKnuckle extremely high kΩ (true) single coils.

On the resistor/cap function I haven't yet got to the point of understanding the diagram (Grim grin symbol here). My first impression was that the dim-vol comes from dropping a coil out of the circuit, since that I've seen, almost as the SOP.

(My thoughts, once again, turn to Mars - that guy would have figured it all out in seconds.)


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:45 pm
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Well fair call in fact. We are a little off topic so apologies to the OP
Looking at the patent (http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/All_A ... atent2.htm) it appears that though the magnetic slug extends thru both coils (therefore stacked) the magnetic influence from the strings and the nature of construction with the south appearing heavily on the side of the moderator bars as in fig 2 the lower coil does not appear to be influenced by magnetic variation (therefore a dummy coil)
Now I am really confused! :D
Edited for this comment ... I have examined the scn in further detail and see another post called scn mystery...


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:03 pm
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I'll hold out for the one-piece maple necks.

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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:17 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:
Well fair call in fact. We are a little off topic so apologies to the OP
Looking at the patent (http://www.billlawrence.com/Pages/All_A ... atent2.htm) it appears that though the magnetic slug extends thru both coils (therefore stacked) the magnetic influence from the strings and the nature of construction with the south appearing heavily on the side of the moderator bars as in fig 2 the lower coil does not appear to be influenced by magnetic variation (therefore a dummy coil)
Now I am really confused! :D


Patents are intentionally vague to cover as much as possible - it seems like this one is made to cover both dual active and active + passive.

According to Fig 4, what's novel about the invention is about is a + shaped magnet (if seen from the edge), which is North pole in the entire | shape, and South only at the sides. I'd like to see that demonstrated in practice with iron filings, because all my engineering instincts scream at me that this is wishful thinking...

SSNNNSS
SSNNNSS
SSNNNSS
SSNNNSS
SSNNNSS


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:21 pm
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Yeah it seemed strange to me since how can you have a magnetic slug with no south as per the diagram?
I have disassembled these but when I get time I will check the bottom of the SCN with a compass and if there is a south which I expect there to be then the lower coil is influenced by magnetics making it stacked (maybe :lol: ) :D


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:47 pm
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jimmy_james wrote:
Yeah it seemed strange to me since how can you have a magnetic stud with no south as per the diagram?

Well, you could "make it so".
If the alnico pole magnets are NS with N at the top and S at the bottom, and you attach the S end to the N end of another magnet, the two magnets will merge into one longer magnet. The S and N parts that clamp together would no longer be the effective poles of the bigger resulting magnet.
But if that were the case here, the center magnet would have to be two magnets, SSNN NNSS, that would repel each other. Getting them to touch and stay would require a lot of static force, and be very prone to demagnetization. I can't believe they've made a contraption that's prone to both rapid self-disassembly and losing its magnetic properties over time.
So I kind of doubt that Fig 4 is accurate. I hope it isn't.
More likely, it's a quadripole magnet setup, like:

Image

Perhaps someone who gets one can place it under a paper and see how iron filings react, or measure it with a gaussmeter?


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 8:40 am
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The Elites dropped the V neck option from the Deluxes.

Well, how about a new compound profile morphing for V to U?


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Post subject: Re: Rumor Mill - American Deluxes being replaced?
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:59 am
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chromeface wrote:
The Elites dropped the V neck option from the Deluxes.
Well, how about a new compound profile morphing for V to U?

They go with what's sold in the past. There's always next year.

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