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Post subject: 2000 stiff neck
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:01 pm
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Need a little(or alot) of help, I have a 2000 American Standard Stratocaster, at least that's what I believe it is. Serial # Z0033894, anyway I'm unable to turn the truss rod either direction. Don't really want to put all my strength into it for fear of striping the the allen head. Any suggestions before I turn this neck into some sort of wall art?
Thanks, Harry


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Post subject: Re: 2000 stiff neck
Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:37 pm
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There may be rust, in which case a short squirt of 3-in-1 oil (or, last resort, WD-40) followed by a few minutes of tapping along the neck with a rubber mallet may loosen it up. If it doesn't work, let it sit until next day, and try again.
Be careful not to get any of the oil on the finish, especially if it's nitro.

If that doesn't work, a couple of vises and a weight can do the trick, bending the neck slightly to a position where the truss rod has less tension.


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Post subject: Re: 2000 stiff neck
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:25 am
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Oil in contact with wood my damage wood.
Use a good quality allen wrench , not the one Fender give with guitar.
It must fit tight on the truss rod screw.

If not, you may damage head .

Truss rod nut may be tight , how ? Need experience to know.
Don't turn more than 1/4 turn and leave it for hour, check neck with reading.


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Post subject: Re: 2000 stiff neck
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:19 pm
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Alright than, thank you both!
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Post subject: Re: 2000 stiff neck
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:28 pm
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For more help change you title , the neck is not stiff it is the truss rod nut is stiff.


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Post subject: Re: 2000 stiff neck
Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:43 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Oil in contact with wood my damage wood.
Use a good quality allen wrench , not the one Fender give with guitar.
It must fit tight on the truss rod screw.

If not, you may damage head .

Truss rod nut may be tight , how ? Need experience to know.
Don't turn more than 1/4 turn and leave it for hour, check neck with reading.

I don't think it is the "wrench". Good quality wrench....cheap wrench....either one of them can break the truss rod if it is unwilling to adjust. Then you got HUGE problems.

How are you gonna give it a 1/4 turn, if it don't turn at all?

HarryV...if you are afraid to give arth1's suggestion a try...find someone that isn't, because you certainly don't want to force the truss (with ANY wrench)---but you already know that.


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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 8:53 am
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White Dog wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
Oil in contact with wood my damage wood.
Use a good quality allen wrench , not the one Fender give with guitar.
It must fit tight on the truss rod screw.

If not, you may damage head .

Truss rod nut may be tight , how ? Need experience to know.
Don't turn more than 1/4 turn and leave it for hour, check neck with reading.

I don't think it is the "wrench". Good quality wrench....cheap wrench....either one of them can break the truss rod if it is unwilling to adjust. Then you got HUGE problems.

Cheap wrench may turn in the head and strip it , often read here in forum

How are you gonna give it a 1/4 turn, if it don't turn at all?

Or a inexperienced guy don't know how hard mean it is jam...?

HarryV...if you are afraid to give arth1's suggestion a try...find someone that isn't, because you certainly don't want to force the truss (with ANY wrench)---but you already know that.



Yes he must se a qualifed person


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Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 6:30 pm
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White Dog wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
Oil in contact with wood my damage wood.
Use a good quality allen wrench , not the one Fender give with guitar.
It must fit tight on the truss rod screw.

If not, you may damage head .

Truss rod nut may be tight , how ? Need experience to know.
Don't turn more than 1/4 turn and leave it for hour, check neck with reading.

I don't think it is the "wrench". Good quality wrench....cheap wrench....either one of them can break the truss rod if it is unwilling to adjust. Then you got HUGE problems.

How are you gonna give it a 1/4 turn, if it don't turn at all?

HarryV...if you are afraid to give arth1's suggestion a try...find someone that isn't, because you certainly don't want to force the truss (with ANY wrench)---but you already know that.



I,m going to apply some oil and let it hang a day or two plus get a good T handle allen wrench. If that doesn't do it I'll take it somewhere. Thanks for helping!
Harry


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Post subject: Re: 2000 stiff neck
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:33 am
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harryv wrote:
White Dog wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
Oil in contact with wood my damage wood.
Use a good quality allen wrench , not the one Fender give with guitar.
It must fit tight on the truss rod screw.

If not, you may damage head .

Truss rod nut may be tight , how ? Need experience to know.
Don't turn more than 1/4 turn and leave it for hour, check neck with reading.

I don't think it is the "wrench". Good quality wrench....cheap wrench....either one of them can break the truss rod if it is unwilling to adjust. Then you got HUGE problems.

How are you gonna give it a 1/4 turn, if it don't turn at all?

HarryV...if you are afraid to give arth1's suggestion a try...find someone that isn't, because you certainly don't want to force the truss (with ANY wrench)---but you already know that.



I,m going to apply some oil and NOOOOOOOO, unless you have a confirmation of several experts


let it hang a day or two plus get a good T handle allen wrench. If that doesn't do it I'll take it somewhere. Thanks for helping!
Harry


If truss rod have a Allen head like all Fender guitars I saw , oil will not go on files , it will damp the neck wood.
Oil may work with truss rod nut like Gibson use , not a head , a nut.


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Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:25 am
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stratele52 wrote:
If truss rod have a Allen head like all Fender guitars I saw , oil will not go on files , it will damp the neck wood.

There are several types of F-truss rods; from the oldest vintage heel adjusted system to the newest Bi-Flex™ - (which is what the OP's AmStd 2000 should have).
That "oil may dampen and damage the wood" is a statement often used, but I've not yet encountered guitars ruined this way...
The key of course is applying just "a short squirt" in the truss rod nut "keyhole", waiting for about a day and then using that correct wrench.

BTW, there are those rare occasions (e.g. a truss rode nut really stuck in the lacquer) when the only working solution is to heat the nut with a solder iron. Only for use at everyone's own risk - and it may be wise to take the guitar to a pro instead :wink:


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Post subject: Re: 2000 stiff neck
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:58 pm
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Thank you everybody, I sent three drops of oil down into the truss rod hole, I'll pick up an good allen wrench on Monday and we'll see how it works out. Thanks again!
Harry


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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 9:00 am
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jmattis wrote:
That "oil may dampen and damage the wood" is a statement often used, but I've not yet encountered guitars ruined this way...

It can certainly stain wood, but that's why you only apply a minimal amount, and keep it to where it's needed. Inside the truss hole, no one is going to notice a color difference. That most Fenders now have a walnut plug in the truss rod hole is likely for this reason - the nut is oiled when the guitar is manufactured.

As for "dampening" the wood, rather the opposite. Oil can prevent moisture damage. We oil unlacquered fretboards. And gun stocks. Martin even recommends 3-in-1 oil on fretboards over lemon oil. As for maple, well, my wife oils her maple spinning wheel with no ill effects at all. You may see a darker stain where oil was spilled, but that's it.


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Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:40 am
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arth1 wrote:
jmattis wrote:
That "oil may dampen and damage the wood" is a statement often used, but I've not yet encountered guitars ruined this way...

It can certainly stain wood, but that's why you only apply a minimal amount, and keep it to where it's needed. Inside the truss hole, no one is going to notice a color difference. That most Fenders now have a walnut plug in the truss rod hole is likely for this reason - the nut is oiled when the guitar is manufactured.

As for "dampening" the wood, rather the opposite. Oil can prevent moisture damage. We oil unlacquered fretboards. And gun stocks. Martin even recommends 3-in-1 oil on fretboards over lemon oil. As for maple, well, my wife oils her maple spinning wheel with no ill effects at all. You may see a darker stain where oil was spilled, but that's it.



I don't read you put few drops of oil in same 1/8 square inches and leave there.


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Post subject: Re: 2000 stiff neck
Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 5:48 pm
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STOP!!!

Please, take the guitar to an experienced luthier. My luthier told me long ago, if it doesn't move easily, do not force it. You can do more harm to the guitar if you lack experience.

I would caution you not to use a guitar tech at a one of the big chain stores. They aren't awful, just not as experienced as a person who actually builds guitars.


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Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:02 am
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paris wrote:
STOP!!!

Please, take the guitar to an experienced luthier. My luthier told me long ago, if it doesn't move easily, do not force it. You can do more harm to the guitar if you lack experience.

I would caution you not to use a guitar tech at a one of the big chain stores. They aren't awful, just not as experienced as a person who actually builds guitars.



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