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Post subject: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road Worn?
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:54 am
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I have realized, the neck on the 50's Road Worn is amazing for me. The string spacing is less than modern, the vintage radius with high action just plays better for me (I bend a lot).

What current strat shares this neck? Not in description, but same .. or damn close?

Prior to me owning this guitar I had a 2011 62 R.I .. this neck was VERY similar. The 62 was a thin skin "wildwood" jumbo fret version. I sold it in a cash crunch. SO mad I sold it. The neck on the 62 was just slightly thinner.

Is there a neck that shares the same specs as the thin 62, or the 50's road worn?

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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:24 am
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Many of the MIJ (Fuji-Gen) reissues feature a shallow "D" profile. They're some of the slimmest necks I've seen. However, they're usually vintage-sized frets and vintage 7.25" radius fretboards.

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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:01 am
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If memory serves, the original 50's Roadworn had a relic v-neck typical of the 57 Strat in terms of feel. Unless specified by year, 50's era guitars are usually fitted with a soft v-neck. For comparison, get your hands on a Clapton. Best damn neck carve of the lot, IMHO. 8)

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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:40 am
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Hi there.

It has been my experience over the year that no two guitars play or feel the same, it is just a function of the wood density and the fact that they are hand made (Yes, cut on a C&C but final shape by hand).

I can't tell you how many guitars over the decades I have picked up at shops, and they felt, well wrong. Dead in spots, too thin ion the neck (I have big hands) or did not stir my soul at all. There have been ones that felt good, but I did get, and a handful that felt like I was holding a lighting rod. They are the rare ones, they play too you and move you.

This is why I don't buy on line, I tried that, and have always been disappointed.

That 62 sounded like that was one of those for you, I hope you can find a replacement for it, but when you have one like that, it is always better to sell and amp then that, it is far easier to get a replacement amp.

Any chance you can track that 62 down?

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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:08 am
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I figured it out .. after playing strats for most of my life, some just played better .. no matter the vibe.

Its the string spacing.

I seem to prefer the vintage spec string space. It is less than my modern strats, Les Paul's ..etc. my fingertips are a little more crowded on the strings, but my brain seems to play effortlessly with it. I feel kind of like an idiot for playing so many years, and not figuring this out.

Grab my LP, .. ok. Grab my other modern "strats" over the years .. ok. lets play.

Grab and old school spaced fingerboard .. brain plays without thinking where my fingers go. I always thought it was the neck profile. nope.

I do not know the term for this difference. I am guessing its the Nut Width spec.

Road Worn Nut width: 1.650"
65 RI:Nut width: 1.65" (42mm)

vs the Les Paul and Modern Strat:
Nut width: 1.687" (42.8mm)

.8 mm makes that much difference?

Yes, I went thru my old emails to see if I could find the guy I sold that 62 RI. No luck. I am also seeing they are going for a good $ now too. Loved that guitar. But now I know my issue, It opens my door.


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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2015 1:49 pm
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But now I know my issue, It opens my door.


I could never get my issue to do that reliably. "Dad, someone's at the door!"


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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:12 pm
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xscott wrote:
I figured it out .. after playing strats for most of my life, some just played better .. no matter the vibe.

Its the string spacing.

I seem to prefer the vintage spec string space. It is less than my modern strats, Les Paul's ..etc. my fingertips are a little more crowded on the strings, but my brain seems to play effortlessly with it. I feel kind of like an idiot for playing so many years, and not figuring this out.

Grab my LP, .. ok. Grab my other modern "strats" over the years .. ok. lets play.

Grab and old school spaced fingerboard .. brain plays without thinking where my fingers go. I always thought it was the neck profile. nope.

I do not know the term for this difference. I am guessing its the Nut Width spec.

Road Worn Nut width: 1.650"
65 RI:Nut width: 1.65" (42mm)

vs the Les Paul and Modern Strat:
Nut width: 1.687" (42.8mm)

.8 mm makes that much difference?

Yes, I went thru my old emails to see if I could find the guy I sold that 62 RI. No luck. I am also seeing they are going for a good $ now too. Loved that guitar. But now I know my issue, It opens my door.


Well Actually the string spacing is wider on a vintage strat than modern strat, modern strats are typically wider at the nut which is what you are describing


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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:55 pm
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Getting back to your original question, the 50's Roadworn is grouped in the products section under guitars with V-necks which was the basis for my initial response to you, thinking you were addressing the neck carve. A '62 Strat would not fall into the category by timeline. String spacing more correctly addresses the width of the nut and not the cross-section of the neck.

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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:54 pm
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Ok .. I am a little confused.

Been paying very close attention to my playing. Right now I have a 2015 American deluxe, a 50's Road Worn, a Les Paul Standard 60's neck.

I have owned many V-Necks .. I do not recall any of them being like this V-Neck. It feels smaller. I have owned in the past an Eric Johnson V-neck, Jimmie Vaughan V-neck(thing was HUGE), and played a Clapton V-neck for a bit that was lent to me. These V-necks were not the same. I do not just "trust" that all the soft V-necks in the fender catalog are the same spec.

The most comfortable neck for me is this 50's road worn, and my 2007 62 RI ( I stated it was a 2011, I was way off on my years). These necks seem to fill my hand perfectly. Most other strat necks fill out my hand to much .. if that makes sense.

I have a new question ..

Is the 60's road worn neck a chunky, or is it a slim neck? I live in the Seattle area, and cannot find ONE from Seattle to Tacoma.

My Deluxe is a great guitar. But it just fills out to much of my hand. I play thumb over the top, bend, rake .. etc. I guess I am a heavy blues type player.

Buy a Road Worn 60's out of sight, and hope it has a slim neck like my 62 RI had ..
Buy a used 62 off of reverb, and HOPE it has a slim neck .. or a Japanese model.

I have beefy hands, but only average length fingers.


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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:36 pm
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Go to the masthead>Products>Guitars>Stratocaster>Platform>Vintage>

You find the Roadworn 60's first on the right. Scroll down several guitars and you'll find the Roadworn 50's in the same column. Compare the specs.

Historically the letter designations 'A', 'B', 'C', and 'D' were applied to the width at the nut. Over time 'C' and 'D' became descriptors for cross-section. There's also 'V' and 'U' as you likely are aware.

As far as 'V' necks are concerned, theres a hard V- which features a prominent spine, and a 'soft-V' which other than the Clapton, is representative of the necks you have claimed to have played. That neck is what I refer to as the 'generic' V-neck. There is also a neck known as the '56V which is thicker. That neck is on the current American Vintage '56.

I have a preference for V-necks and have owned a few of them. For me, the Clapton is the preferred, and the only one of its profile in the line.

The '57 Stratocaster had a V-neck and had that slightly sharper spine which, I am of the opinion, the 50's Roadworn neck was patterned after. Throw in the aging and wear finishing that the model is supposed to reflect and you have the feel of the neck that pleases your hand. It would have had some flattening of the spine as a result, In that, in the manufacture, all necks get some hand finishing, no two necks are ever going to be exactly the same.

As far as the '60's Roadworn, it likely has a neck of that vintage, but not a 'modern C' which has the rolled shoulders of a played, worn in neck.

I recall auditioning a 50's Roadworn when they were first marketed and found the neck carve comfortable. It's close to the Clapton in feel, which is the V-neck neck of preference. I happen to own a pre-production Clapton. It has a 21 fret neck, with the same overall taper but slightly flatter on the spine than my '89.

There's a Guitar Center in Seattle [Westlake]proper, and one in Redmond [164th]. I've been to both in my visitations to family in Bellevue. I trust you've been to both. You might ask the store to order a '60's Roadworn for your approval without committment to purchase. I'm sure they'll manage to sell it to someone.

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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:50 pm
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I am the Original Poster: Update ..

I have learned a lot since I made this post.

Nut Width: 1.650" (42 mm) (narrower than modern)
Vintage string spacing (wider than modern)
Thick neck, with "less shoulder" .. V-Neck, SRV neck (yes its thick also, to me feels like a beefier v-neck).

So, I really thought I liked a Thinner neck .. boy was I wrong.

It really comes to the nut width 1.650" (42 mm), and vintage spacing.

I picked up a used SRV last week. I felt like I made a big mistake as the neck is so big. Soon after playing, I realized this neck is amazing. It is almost a hair to chunky, and I cant work the "thumb over" 12th fret like I can on the 50's road worn, .. but damn, this neck is really comfortable, and I again .. lose myself in the playing, and forgot about my hand on the neck .. that's all I am really after.

So .. less shoulder
Thicker neck with less shoulder so my palm is supported. Thumb over still works fine, just not as extreme on the smaller necks.

I also had a deluxe at the time of this post. I sold it.
The nut width of 1.650" (42 mm) is so MUCH more comfortable for me vs the 1.685" (42.8 mm). Weird such a small measurement can make such a difference.


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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:38 pm
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xscott wrote:

The nut width of 1.650" (42 mm) is so MUCH more comfortable for me vs the 1.685" (42.8 mm). Weird such a small measurement can make such a difference.


It is intersting how such "small" differences with mearurement make a dramatic impact on the playability of an instrument... very noticeable with other things as well like action of the strings... 1/32 higher or lower... makes a huge difference... as does nut spacing... string spacing at the bridge... floating or decking the bridge... all this stuff affects how the guitar plays... feels and responds.

Sometimes what makes a guitar better than another is such a small thing it's easy to overlook... or misinterpret...

I learned a lot reading about all the different variants posted in this thread as well... cool stuff indeed...

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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:55 pm
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I thought that there was the Road Worn series and a cheaper series ($100 less) that have the same exact specs except for the lack of relicing. I think it's called "Classic Series". There is also Baja but I think that's something else.

PS: found the link for you:

http://www.fender.com/guitars/stratocas ... ge&start=1

I don't know if the string spacing is the same but the neck profile should. Heard good things about this guitar, tried it in store but the neck feels weird to me even though most people love it


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Post subject: Re: What current Fender has the same neck as the 50's Road W
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:14 pm
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Warmoth neck diagrams suggest that the SRV neck has an assymetric cross-section.
Here are some user thoughts.....
http://unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=16252.0

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