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Post subject: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:44 am
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This seems a weird thing to leave off. Even with attenuation, sometimes I want to play silently so as not to disturb family and friends. Obviously, it won't sound the same as the amp itself does, but that's to be expected. Is there any way to work around this? Could I use the output to run to something else where I can then plug in headphones?


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Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:09 am
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The lack of a headphone jack on these amp is the only real criticism most of us have found. Perhaps FMIC will add one with the next production run they build.

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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:12 pm
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Typhonus wrote:
Could I use the output to run to something else where I can then plug in headphones?


I suspect you could run the direct out into a headphone amp (such as a Behringer Powerplay P2) to interface and power headphones.


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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 8:04 am
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At this point you would need a 3rd party headphone pedal. Something like this:

https://saturnworkspedals.com/product/headphone-amp/

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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:27 pm
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Miami Mike wrote:
At this point you would need a 3rd party headphone pedal. Something like this:

https://saturnworkspedals.com/product/headphone-amp/


+1,

There are some (less expensive) that would allow you to go from the balanced line out on the amp directly to a balanced line in on the headphone amp. This would allow you to try the cab simulators on the amp.


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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:26 am
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This would allow you to try the cab simulators on the amp.

+1

For obvious reasons that feature wasn't really explored in the video demos.

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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:00 pm
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Maybe Fender figures most folks have some kind of mixer for recording. Many times, isn't that what the Line Out is going to get plugged into anyway?
Mini mixers are for sale all over the place, most with more features than a mere headphone amp. And cheaper. Heck, I have one I bought "just in case" that I never even use. Now, where did I put it? :lol:


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Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:09 pm
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leolovesyou wrote:
Maybe Fender figures most folks have some kind of mixer for recording.


Maybe Fender is going to come out with a headphone pedal?

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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:16 pm
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Miami Mike wrote:
Maybe Fender is going to come out with a headphone pedal?


It would be a worthy addition to their new line of stompboxes.

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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:08 pm
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Yeah, this is a bummer. It seems eliminating the headphone jack is the way of the future, my only complaint about the amp as well.

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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:45 am
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Well, NAMM is coming in January. Perhaps we'll see some accessories.

I do like the adjustable output choices.

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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:32 am
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Their goal was to replicate as closely as possible two classic tube amps, but without tubes.

In this day and age when soundmen rule most stages, some sort of output power control was pretty much mandatory, and the XLR out and speaker sim are other sops to calm the people who always say your guitar amp is too loud.

But where do you draw the line when adding extra features? Headphone jack would be easy and logical, but so would an FX loop. How about a voicing switch on the DRTM to "virtually" remove the bright cap, or a switch on the TRTM for Ultralinear voicing (there are a few weirdos who actually prefer the late '70s Twins)? A switch to add reverb/trem to the normal channel?

Maybe switches that lets you "retube" the amps with different brands/types of tubes?

Some people like hot bias, some like it colder, so why not a virtual bias control?

They could have put in a FRFR speaker system, so your TM could sound like it has Oxfords, Jensons, JBLs at the turn of a knob.

Bluetooth and MIDI so you can control all the extras?

Adding features is a slippery incline (filter won't let me say "s l o p e".) Once you start, where do you stop? Pretty soon, you've got a Fractal or Helix.

As the OP stated, it'll never sound exactly the same through headphones. There are dozens of dedicated headphone amps for under $50 that do respectable Fender tones. No real need to confuse the mission of creating a tubeless DR and TR.


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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:14 am
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Adding a headphone jack would only cost about five bucks in parts and the lion's share of criticism for this amp focuses solely on the lack of this feature.

Give the customers what they want.

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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:29 pm
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I think the reason is the same as why no effects loop, not effects, etc etc. I think fender just thought that it;s got to be either all or nothing because if not it would just not seem like the real thing. In other words, we gotta draw the line somewhere. They probably felt several IR's and a attenuator would be too valuable to leave out but they wanted to draw the line somewhere before it became too much a modeler and not enough realistic fender tube. And these amps are obviously gigging amps, not practice amps. So a headphone would be on the "no" side of that line. Thats what i think went thru thier minds when developing these amps.


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Post subject: Re: Why no headphone jack?
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:46 pm
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Pics of the circuit boards show an empty rectangular jack outline with through-holes and traces (labeled J703) between the XLR pot and power level rotary switch.

Speculation is that they designed it to have a headphone jack, then changed their minds about implementing it. Or designed it into the board for future upgrades.


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