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Post subject: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:04 pm
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Is it possible to update the base firmware of the GT amps over wi-fi (i.e. not with a USB and PC)? And if so, how is it done?

(Asking because I'd like to update the base version to the current version, in case I don't like the new update and want to roll back. I don't have a Windows or Mac computer, so can't use the USB update tool.)


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:00 pm
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So u r asking if you can go from the original, the very 1st firmware version to the latest w/o a cable? Fender says no so i doubt it can be done. But why would you want to revert to the original FW? I assure you it's cr@p. The latest literally stopped me from selling the amp because it's so much better. The new models alone are better but overall there are nothing but improvements. Even in the basic tone quality, models aside.

Now if u are asking if you can go from any firmware back to the very 1st original one, yes. That can be done with the restore function and it will take you back to the very first one by holding down the top layer button and the FX button while starting the amp. However, at the point where we were given a new update but could no longer update till we used the USB cable, i suppose at that point it's possible that the restore may no longer work to go back to the very 1st version because after using that cable, that new update may have been implemented in the amp as the new 1st version. See what i'm saying? I don't know thats the case but it makes sense that if we needed a cable at that point to update further then all previous versions my no longer work in the amp. I may be wrong but it's just a thought.

I'm kinda shocked u r still at the 1st version. It was horrible. There are a lot more and better features and tone now. If i were u i would find someone who's PC u can use and get the cable and update. And if that doesn't get you to V2.0.21 then update again via wifi. The latest update is w/o a doubt the best and the new one thats coming will no doubt be even better, probably a lot better.


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:12 pm
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oczad wrote:
So u r asking if you can go from the original, the very 1st firmware version to the latest w/o a cable?


No. I'm on the latest version (2.0.25). The base version is what it came installed with (1.5.25 in my case*).

If I ever perform a full reset, it will wipe 2.025 and put me back to 1.5.25. I want to update the base version to 2.0.25, so that if version 3 turns out to be buggier than 2.0.25, I can just reset and roll back to 2.0.25.

I believe this is what the firmware update tool does. But I can't use that, and was asking if there is some trick to do it over wi-fi.

(*You can see what your base version is from the settings menu.)


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:44 pm
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Ok, then if u are sure that your amp's base firmware is HIGHER than 1.3.5, and if u r sure that doing a restore will take you back to 1.5.25 and NOT the original release firmware when the amp debuted, then u r good to go. You only need the patch utility if your amp is at V 1.3.5 or below. So just doing a regular update will give you the new FW once it's released, then if u don't like it (VERY unlikely IMO) doing a restore by holding the FX and top layer buttons will get u back to the base FW.

The question is this....just because your amp came with 1.5.25, does that mean thats the base FW that your amp will go back to? I don't know if thats the case. If they shipped your amp with 1.5.25, how do you know that the initial FW which was 1.0.38 isn't the base ? It could be all GTs no matter when they were made may come with the 1.0.38 base on the chip and they are them updated to whatever FW is newest at the time. So while yours came with 1.5.25, it could be thats not the base and that 1..0.38 is. This is all speculation and i have no idea if this is the case. But if it is then doing a restore is going to take you to a horrible version with no way to get back to your 1.5 or for that matter ANY other version w/o a cable and PC. I would suggest you call fender and explain that u cannot use the patch utility and what your concerns are.


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:14 pm
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oczad wrote:
So just doing a regular update will give you the new FW once it's released, then if u don't like it (VERY unlikely IMO) doing a restore by holding the FX and top layer buttons will get u back to the base FW.


I don't want to roll back to my current base firmware 1.5.25, I want to roll back to 2.0.25. To do this I need to update the base version to 2.0.25. This is possible (according to this page) with the FW update tool via USB.

It doesn't say anywhere in the manual that this is possible over wi-fi, but not everything is documented in the manual, which is now badly out of date anyway, and I was wondering if there was some combination of buttons to hold down during startup that would update the base firmware to the current version.

oczad wrote:
The question is this....just because your amp came with 1.5.25, does that mean thats the base FW that your amp will go back to?


That is what the manual says, and I don't see how it could possibly go back to an older version, since it isn't present on the device in any form.

Just to be clear, the amp has two versions of the firmware installed, the base version and the working version (the settings menu lists both versions that are installed). The base version is an emergency backup version in case an update fails and corrupts the working version.


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:55 pm
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Well, then i dunno. What i do know is that if u update when the new FW comes out you won't be able to go back to the FW u now have. Only to the base, and from the base to the newest. The reason is the GT wifi simply accesses whatever FW in at the server address it looks for and thats always the newest. So you can revert to the base FW or go to the newest on thier server but nothing in between unfortunately. That much i do know unless fender can somehow help you out. I can't imagine how tho unless you sent the amp to them.

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oczad wrote:
So just doing a regular update will give you the new FW once it's released, then if u don't like it (VERY unlikely IMO) doing a restore by holding the FX and top layer buttons will get u back to the base FW.


I don't want to roll back to my current base firmware 1.5.25, I want to roll back to 2.0.25. To do this I need to update the base version to 2.0.25. This is possible (according to this page) with the FW update tool via USB.

It doesn't say anywhere in the manual that this is possible over wi-fi, but not everything is documented in the manual, which is now badly out of date anyway, and I was wondering if there was some combination of buttons to hold down during startup that would update the base firmware to the current version.

oczad wrote:
The question is this....just because your amp came with 1.5.25, does that mean thats the base FW that your amp will go back to?


That is what the manual says, and I don't see how it could possibly go back to an older version, since it isn't present on the device in any form.

Just to be clear, the amp has two versions of the firmware installed, the base version and the working version (the settings menu lists both versions that are installed). The base version is an emergency backup version in case an update fails and corrupts the working version.


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:11 pm
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Received email from Fender Support: coming this month Tone 3.0 along with the GT update.


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:18 pm
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tele-de-fender wrote:
Received email from Fender Support: coming this month Tone 3.0 along with the GT update.

It's always been said that it would be released when the GTX amp is, so yes, this month. Amp is already at GC's warehouse but they can't release them to stores till the official date that fender is ready to release the firmware and tone. The 25th is the ship date so it should be posted by then or maybe a week later to give the amps time to arrive in the showrooms.


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:32 am
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Initially i had been informed that it would be the 25th of February though...


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:52 am
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Sure, but you should know by now that u can ask 10 reps the same question and get 10 different answers. Think about YOUR workplace. How many people that you work with would all have the exact same answer for a customer's question? I don't know about where u work, but where i worked b4 i retired the 10 answers would be comically different. I've dealt with fender reps since the day i got my GT in early 2017 and it's quite apparent most of them are not kept well informed about anything other then the basics. I would go by GC's ship date simply because i have seen it change a few times which tells me that the people at fender who ARE in the know on this subject are keeping them updated as things change. And that date has never shown to be in february. It first showed 3/10 then the 18th then 25th, and it's been showing the latter for a while now. GC said they do not charge your card till it ships and my credit card was just charged so that date is likely pretty accurate.


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:48 pm
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Actually I'm back "in communication" with Fender Support for a wholly different issue....off-topic in that it's not about the GT...but it is about another Fender product...so I guess the "guessing game" begins once again :)


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:55 pm
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Don't know if anyone notice the mod's post at the top of the forum, but looks like they are closing this forum down for good in a few days.


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:29 pm
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yeah...just been noticing a couple of threads here & there apropos...why is this happening?
"big picture elephant in the room" question: is it because of - insert very sad emoji here plz - (electric) guitar's "diminishing" stature in today's music?


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:48 pm
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well well...i guess this is kind of it...Fender "bowing out" from the forums game altogether...understandable...we r living in an entirely different world...that said, I have no real "connection" with people here save a couple "regulars" a bit, i guess....not so in a "previous" lifetime, on another forum, where I had many more "real" connections with other musicians...the "demise" of which was much harder to "digest"...btw, I was "known" for my "overuse" of "quotation marks" there....so sorry...but such is the nature of life...and technology...no looking back...


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Post subject: Re: Updating GT base firmware
Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:08 pm
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insert very sad emoji here plz

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