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Post subject: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:51 am
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Was thinking of buying the GTX 100 but I think with a firmware update a GT 200 would have the same Amps/ Fx.
I like the idea of stereo effects on the GT 200 delays panning etc, is this the case?
Does the GT 200 have the same amount of effects blocks ie
FX-FX-AMP-FX-FX as the GTX looks like it does, and is it possible
To have say Comp-Overdrive-Amp-Delay-Reverb and other variations.
Are the effect blocks in a fixed order or can the be moved about.
Sorry for a lot of questions but I need to know if I need to wait
For the GTX to go on sale if the GT can’t manage as many simultaneous effects.
Not worried about the speakers in the GT as I’m willing to see how they are with my settings and replace later, also I might be in a minority but I like the GT’s more modern looks, like the controls at the front edge of the amp and think the black and white on the controls are easy to see at a distance.
I know why the GTX has restyled it’s too look more classic, but would still buy if it turned out too have more features.


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:15 pm
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There isn't any fixed number of effects. You can add effects before or after the amp model, and position them in any order, and keep on adding them until it won't let you add any more.

There is no easy way to tell exactly how many effects you can add, as it depends on the amp model and the effects. For example, if you've already added a load of effects, you might find you can't add a shimmer reverb, but you can add a spring reverb, or you can add an overdrive pedal but not a fuzz pedal.

Also, when using the IIC+ amp models, you can hardly add many effects before you can't add any more. But with most other amp models you can usually add more effects than you are likely to need.

You can also set up different presets with different combinations of effects, and switch between the presets using the footswitch.


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:58 pm
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Get the GTX. The GT after it gets the update will be the same amp in all regards that concern the functionality, but there are other reasons i say get the GTX. For one, fender had said they improved the cabinet's tone and the speaker too. Both thing i have always felt needed to be more balanced tonally and i think they apparently came to the same conclusion. Secondly i believe they have probably fixed the dropout issue that the GT is infamous for and i am sure is a hardware issue. (read my thread "happened again" for info on that) So no doubt the cab and speaker will sound better and then theres the possibility they may have improved the power amp too which is yet one more possible improvement that the GT will NOT inherit via firmware. Now look at the price....the GT is $100 less, but in a way it's actually the same because the GTX 100 comes with the new 7 button footswitch while the GT doesn't come with any switch. The 7 button is $100, so GT@ $399 plus $100 for the switch=$499. GTX comes with the switch included and is $499. The GT 200 i'm not sure about price wise but i would not want a stero GT because from what i have heard the 2 sides are by default stereoized with some sort of ambient algorithm so u r stuck with that. NOT a good thing, trust me. The GTX has stereo outs so you can always use a smnall second amp, PA, etc. It's better to have a single mono amp and create your own way of doing stereo rather then be stuck with a always on stereo effect. A lot of people have cited the 40 and 200 (both stereo) as sounding processed, muffled, or generally fake and it's been thought to possibly be attributed to that.

So IMO it's a no brainer to end all no brainers....get the GTX100. Likely no more dropout issues like the GT series, better core sound due to improved speaker and cab and possibly power amp.


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:16 pm
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Thank you for both quick and helpful answers, they will also help other people in my position.
I shall now preorder the GTX 100.
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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:12 am
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oczad wrote:
So IMO it's a no brainer to end all no brainers....get the GTX100.

Word of warning: Fender has turned their back on their digital customers again and again. GT owners must be feeling the chill by now. Any further development on GT will now be table scraps from their development of the next platform. They did the same thing with Mustang v1 and v2 ... then BZZT "NO SOUP FOR YOU".

Also, let's look at their recent history with hardware:

Mustang v1: Significant hardware problem (power supply - Mustang III and up)
Mustang v2: No known hardware problem
Mustang GT: Significant hardware problem - just look at the posts in this forum
Mustang GTX: Remains to be seen


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:04 am
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Ok, but IMO fender had to have fixed the hardware issue and the reason i say this is consider what a web wide fiasco this amp has been for them due to the issues and think about it....i can't imagine they would consider releasing an unfixed successor to the GT. That would be total suicide after what they went thru with the GT. It's unimaginable. And while they went thru a issue on the MIII, it WAS fixed by most accounts and wasn't but a fraction of the nightmare fender has been thru with the GT. The GT was far far more problematic with numerous issues and the backlash was to an unheard of degree.


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:00 pm
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The problem was with v1 Mustang III, IV and V amps. You know how they "fixed" it? By releasing v2. In other words, the v1 owners simply got hosed.

Also, regarding which was a bigger nightmare, check out the 99 page thread from hell.

And here is Fenders statement about "fizz":

"Dear Fender Mustang Community,

We are aware of the various discussions regarding the 'fizz' phenomenon, in which some Mustang amp users notice sound that they find undesirable. We researched the issue and found that under certain combined conditions, using certain settings and playing techniques, an artifact can be produced in Mustang III, IV and V amplifiers.

The simple truth is that while we were able to include great tones and many useful features into an extremely affordable box, within the vast array of sounds, some discerning listeners may consider the smallest sonic variable a limitation. Nevertheless, legions of Mustang amp users have proven and agree that the Mustang amplifier series delivers great value, versatility and sound.

As a forward-thinking company of musicians, we always welcome all consumer opinion and insight that helps drive our constant development of innovative new products. Technology moves fast, and so we continue to develop products that offer guitarists newer and better tools to make music.

Best Regards,
The Fender Tech Support Lab"


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:53 pm
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I have a $14000 motorcycle with issues and the same manufacturer's BS. It's the world today. I just deal with it. Fender is not the only one that does this. But a $400 amp doesn't present near the same anguish as a bike that cost 30 times as much. If the GTX fixes the dropout issue that would be great even if the GT was never fixed. Of course i don't appreciate what fender did, or what triumph did to me. But like i said, it's the world we live in today so i deal with it. I also lts them know in no uncertain terms and i do so here at thier own forum because while i know i will never be compensated in any way for my aggravation, i believe they need to be made aware that people are not happy in order to insure the next gen is not near as likely to be so problematic.

Like i said, i can't imagine they will release a GTX with the same issues that were beaten to death here and elsewhere by a lot of owners, and i think the original and V2 mustangs show that they realize that. We don't really know exactly what caused the fizz and whether they could have fixed it in the V1 amps. We really have no idea what that was about because manufacturers never tell you the truth about these things. If they did it can be admitting to something that would require a total recall of amps that would cost them a fortune. So it;s possible V2 amps did have a hardware issue that was then fixed and they changed the tolex just to designate V2 as a fixed amp. Thats what companies all do. If the GTX is fixed then it'll be a great amp. If not then it will also almost be guaranteed to be the last mustang that will sell enough units to pay for the development let alone turn a profit. The original ones with fizz was nothing like this. The GT has had a LONG list of issues some of which made them unusable, not just a little fizz. That kind of single issue is par for the course for 1/2 the gear out there.


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:43 am
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oczad wrote:
We don't really know exactly what caused the fizz and whether they could have fixed it in the V1 amps.

Actually, we do know. It was a problem with the power supply in those models. The Mustang I and Mustang II were uneffected because they use a different power supply. Same with Mustang Floor (no power supply).

My point is not that manufacturers should be perfect. But if they repeatedly screw the pooch on support, I personally look at different manufacturers or different products by the same manufacturer that have a better track record. Some people can afford to throw money out the widow. Some of us cannot.

And by the way, the v1 mustangs had other issues too like the wonky pedal (still happening in GT) and the crappy jog wheel. And then there's the software - always buggy, never updated and now fairly useless without a working cloud platform.


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:04 am
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Ok, then from my perspective thats a good thing on fender, not bad. The redesigned it and V2 was good. Understand that NO manufacturer builds products that are perfect every time. Thats just the nature of the human race. We areb't perfect and therefore neither is what we make. The question is not whether they get it right the first time, it;s what they do about it. There are 2 things to consider in that regard. One is did they rectify is. Yes. The other is what did they do for thier customers that bought the one that had the issue. Here the problem....while morally it's thier responsibility, if they were forced to recall every amp and replace them all and do the same with every imperfect product they ever make, fender, and for that matter most manufacturers would either no longer be in business or thier products would cost 3 times as much due to an insane amount of R&D it would take to never release an imperfect product.

This doesn't mean i cut fender a break on the GT because the thing was NOT remotely another V1 with a single irritating issue. It was a one of a kind total mess with issue after issue that destroyed it's rep among players. But again, if you want perfect every time be prepared to pay $1500 or 2 grand for a mustang. I'd rather run into things like this now and then and eat the GT and get a GTX than that. In case u don't realize it, ALL electronic gear of any kind today is prone to issues due to the garbage construction techniques and garbage parts that are used BECAUSE OF US, THE CONSUMER ! We demand inexpensive items and manufacturers who do not remain competitive die quickly. Competitive requires u build garbage and quickly or costs will be too high to compete. Thats just the way the market is and fender is caught up in that like everyone. I worked in the repair industry for 20 years and i've seen it first hand. So u can blame fender all u want, and i'm with you to some extent. But i think they did all any manufacturer would do on the V1-V2 issue and i believe the GTX will again be a fix, tho a much greater one. In short, i hate that we get reamed like this sometimes but on the other hand thats the nature of electronic gear these days. If you buy inexpensive gear it WILL be junk and you can only hope you got lucky and bought something thats reliable and works right. And todays SS electronics, even if some ARE designed well enough to avoid design issues off the bat, most will develop them within a few years and NEVER last like a old fender tube amp. Again, we voted for that kind of quality with out wallets. The furthest i would go in agreeing with you is that i think fender should compensate GT owners to some extent due to the hardware issues. But like i said, manufacturers usually don't do that kind of thing because the cost is high and most all of them would rather remain silent and let thier customers suffer. In short, thats just the way it is because of competition to win every customer with a tight wallet which is most of them, especially when it comes to low end guitar gear that's purchased for in large part by low income youth.

Now if fender screws us on the GTX i will then find them guilty of taking it too far and never buy another fender amp or electronics of any kind from them. I really cannot imagine that happening with what they went thru with the GT, but like u said we shall see. Thats my opinion and u aren't going to change it so i'll leave the debate here and you can have the last word.


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:07 am
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You are a very informed user oczad. Way to be. I knew about the "fizz" issue before I bought a v1 Mustang because the info was here on the forum. Just leaving a trail of breadcrumbs so nobody gets an ugly surprise.


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:41 am
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Thanks. Yeah, same here. I post a lot because i think that being one of the few to go as far as i have researching, trying fixes, etc etc, that the more informed people here are the better off they are making decisions and understanding whats going on with thier amp. I can't just come to certain possibly important conclusions like i have with the dropout issue thru a lot of work then not share it. Not to mention making sure fender hears everything they rightfully should. I mean, if no one gave feedback fender wouldn't have any idea where the amp stands and what they need to do. They probably hate me for all my negative posts but theres reasoning behind it, not just anger. If u read what i just posted this morning in the "happened again" thread you will see i may have more certainly than in the past found the dropout and tone issues are almost surely that ribbon cable. If so that could also help fender if by chance the issue returns with the GTX, assuming they didn't already come to the same conclusion and rectify it already, which i'd wager they did for reasons i made clear above. And the reason i'm so on this is because to me the GT line was the start of what i felt was potentially the best inexpensive modeling combo out there if the issues and missing features were dealt with. I still love mine even tho it;s been a nightmare at times. But when u have a 20 Lb combo with tone that is perfectly good in even in a band mix and has everything you could want even a tuner in one box, that to me is a glorious thing. Hopefully th GTX will be everything the GT was trying to be with none of the issues.


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:35 pm
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oczad wrote:
But when u have a 20 Lb combo with tone that is perfectly good in even in a band mix and has everything you could want even a tuner in one box, that to me is a glorious thing. Hopefully th GTX will be everything the GT was trying to be with none of the issues.

+1. It was suggested a while ago that they should call it "Mustang Pro". I wish they would consider that. Search for Mustang GT in Google and you're likely to find a lot of pretty cars. At least name it after a Chevy! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 3:03 am
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Here’s an update to my original post.
After selling my last amplifier I needed a replacement , that’s why I asked about the GT 200.
I did have a order in for a GTX 100, but the in stock date keeps moving further away.
I don’t know if the problem will get worse due to factory shutdowns because of the Flu epidemic in China.
I purchased a GT 200 a week ago and I’m very happy with it, I like the stereo effects, but I tone them back or use mono ones live for easier miking.
I haven’t heard the harshness that has been mentioned when turned up but I wouldn’t need to have the volume really high due to the amp pushing plenty of air.
I found 80% of the stock patches rubbish, I have changed I few to my taste.
Most patches I have programmed use the Fender Twin and Blues Breaker but I created one patch using the Bassman and used two drives by mistake when It was meant to have
Comp-Overdrive.
Loved the patch so much I kept it, I shared it online under classic rock as blues rock.
I might change my mind on favourite amps fx etc as the only thing with the amp is it gives you too many options!
I am prepared for a telling off from some you but I needed a amp to fill the gap.
I thought at the end of the day I have a 200 watt stereo amplifier via the fx returns at the very least


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Post subject: Re: Buy GT 200 now or wait for the GTX 100 ?
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:01 am
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Well, it's not what i;d recommend but if u don't eventually develop the dropout issue, with the new firmware thats due soon you should basically have a GTX. My biggest worry about the GT is the dropout and apparently related tone issues and thats the biggest reason i would get the TGX. But if you are one of the lucky ones then you're fine.


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