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Post subject: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:23 am
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On the Mustang III v2, which I still possess, the EXP pedal in volume mode could do wonderful swells with reverb still trailing even after the volume was rolled off. It could produce a wonderful ambient sound, almost violin-esque.

I've just bought a Mustang GT 100, firmware at 2.0.25. The expression mode works fine, with wah etc. but volume mode now appears to control overall volume, including post-fx. Meaning, reverb-drenched swells are no longer possible, as the volume mode silences those as well.

If I understand fx-loops correctly, on the V2, the volume pedal would have been at the end of the pre-fx, before the amp, and on the GT, the volume pedal seems to be fixed at the very end of the post-fx, theoretically speaking?

The volume mode is also much choppier on the GT 100... Back on the III v2, rising and falling was as smooth as butter, but on the GT it sounds like it jumps and skips chunks of volume along the way.

Otherwise, the GT seems to work and sound fine, as does the EXP pedal. But I would be quite disappointed if Fender removed the ability to do swells.


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:28 pm
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Should work if you use the pedal in exp mode for volume instead of volume mode. That way you can assign it to most any function. In this case, assuming you have your reverb after the amp model, you could assign it to the amp model's volume control in exp mode and the volume is then before the verb. If you have reverb before the amp model, tho not sure why u would want to do that, but if so then what you could do is add one of the EQs like the 7 band graphic in front of the verb and assign the pedal to the EQ's gain controls. Think outside the box !


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:53 am
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Hello. I tried that out, adjusting the amp models volume parameter with the pedal, and it does seem like the best workaround, thank you for the suggestion. Adjusting the parameters of an EQ in the chain didn't quite have the same effect, for whatever reason.

For me, I still find it quite frustratingly inefficient, because I'd be "using up" the EXP's expression mode for volume, when it already has a volume mode (albeit one that doesn't work how it used to), and I would have to create another preset if I wanted to express Wah with it, or some such.

It's annoying because the III v2 didn't require that workaround, and I could "do" more things with less patches, i.e. express a wah and do volume swells on the same patch.

Surely it wouldn't be impossible for a firmware update to simply change, or make it optional to change, the EXPs volume mode from it's current position of master volume, to the position of pre-fx volume?


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:26 am
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I forgot the EQ gain doesn't go to 0 Db, and i get why u don't want to use the EXP mode for this. Unfortunately i don't think there's a way around it. There are other things like this that fender should have done like my big gripe, no way to assign buttons 1,2 and 3 of the footswitch so that if theres an effect you want to stay on all the time you have to avoid accidentally hitting the button where it is situated in the order. I have to put a little metal collar on button 2 so i don't hit it by accident. Not to mention i now cannot turn the chorus on and off so i have to go to the amp and do it manually on the front panel. If they were assignable that button i now have to avoid using could have been assigned to chorus. Utter stupidity when all they'd have had to do is give each effect a setting where you choose to make it switchable and u can assign it to any of the 3 buttons. Obvious things like that and your issue ruin the amp's functionality, and you would think after so many updates they'd fixed them but apparently the people making decisions never consider what is important in a live situation. Just the fact the amp's looper could not be turned off till people complained about accidentally triggering it live is proof they aren't considering how the amp will function for live use. So sorry, i wish i could help the BOTH of us but i see no way around these issue. I even tried the pre and post function on the reverb but that didn't work either.


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:35 pm
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Where's the best place to make our suggestions (complaints) known to Fender? :P

Disgruntled GT users unite!


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:05 pm
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Probably here, but they won't listen unless a ton of people complain about the same thing.


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:13 am
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+1 to this tread!!!!


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:57 am
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Since we are pretending Fender are reading this: It would also be nice if the expression pedal could be configured more accurately.

I'd like to have a go using the pitch shifter with the expression pedal, like a whammy pedal. But unfortunately its not possible to set the end points of the pedal in tune, as the setting for the exp pedal are knob settings (1-10 in 0.1 increments), but the pitch shifter is a numerical setting (-2400 to +2400 in increments of 1).

As a result its not even possible to dial in a pitch shift of 0 or +/-1 octave at either end of the pedal. You can get close, but not close enough not to be noticeable.


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:07 am
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On a side note, all the people i have seen who have the EXP to a man have reported it doesn't work right with the GT. I had one when i had my MIII and when i got the GT it didn't work right. Thru all the updates and a second EXP pedal it never got better. The symptoms are several, but the main one is the LEDs don't light up right. At times neither the red or green LED lights, other times they don't change when i hit the toe button. Sometimes BOTH LEDs light at the same time ! Fender has not done anything to fix this, yet they continue to sell the pedal saying it works with the GT line. That amazes me because they know about this which i confirmed thru my early communication with them.


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:38 am
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that's a shame because the EXP1 is one of the coolest things about this amp line - when it works right.


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:13 pm
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Do not understand this quote
Use the pedal in EXP mode for volume instead of volume mode.


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 volume swells with the Mustang GT 100?
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:34 pm
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Carhop wrote:
Do not understand this quote
Use the pedal in EXP mode for volume instead of volume mode.


If you use the pedal in volume mode then it turns down the master volume of the amp. This includes any delay or reverb. When playing volume swells you want any delay or reverb to keep ringing out when you dip the volume with the pedal ready for the next swell.

You can get round this with the Mustang GT by setting EXP mode to control the modeled amp's volume setting (rather than the master volume of the GT).


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