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Post subject: Multi effect pedal and effect return
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:26 pm
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On a tube amp if I play through the return it bypasses most or all of the tone controls and everything is controlled via the pedal.

Ok. On a gt100, though, what am I bypassing? The tone controls, obviously other than master volume, but if I want to use an amp Sim on my pedal should I just use the basic preamp patch and adjust? Can I use a basic amp Sim on the amp and use my pedal just for effects? Not sure what the effect return is passing over on a modeling amp.


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Post subject: Re: Multi effect pedal and effect return
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:32 am
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First of all, "modelling amp" simply means it is pretending to be something else. In other words, it is pretending to be something it is not. In the case of the Mustang, GT100, it has the ability to pretend to be three different amps.

Secondly, effects loops are after the preamp, so the real question is the location of the guitar.

1: If you plug into the pedalboard, your are completely bypassing the amp's own pre-amp, and the amp's own pre-amp now does absolutely nothing. Your pedalboard becomes the pre-amp. That is how the Wampler Triple Wreck essentially turns your amp into a Mesa Triple Rectifier, or the Alexander Jubilee essentially turns your amp into a Marshall Silver Jubilee. You are replacing your pre-amp.

1.5: Certain pre-amp pedals, such as the Victory Kraken, can do what is called "the four-cable method." Obviously, there is the effect send and return cable runs. Then there is where you plug the guitar into the pedal. The fourth cable goes into the front of the amp. That way, when you turn off the pedal, the signal is now routed into the amp's own pre-amp. Think of this like having another a second channel in your amp. Or, if the amp already has two channels built-in, you now essentially have four channels.

2: If you plug directly into the amp, then you are still using the amp's own pre-amp. Anything in the effects loop is for effect. This is where you put your reverb pedals. That said, if that reverb is a shimmer reverb (such as Matthews Effects Astronomer), or a tape delay (such as Wampler Tape Echo), they really only work going into the front of the amp. They have extra features which reply being boosted by the pre-amp.

Now, here is the the real trick to amp mastery. You need to use what the amp already has built-in. In my own case, I am all about amp distortion. As such, I have no need or desire for gain/distortion pedals of any kind. I simply use the amp's own gain channel, and a foot switch to change between the gain channel and clean channel. In a build like mine, the noise gate goes in the effects loop, because it is gating the distortion created by the amp itself.


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Post subject: Re: Multi effect pedal and effect return
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:38 am
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How do you get "three different amps" when there several more available amp options?


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Post subject: Re: Multi effect pedal and effect return
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:43 am
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The sales page says new models include three electric amp models. That means it has three different amps it can pretend to be.


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Post subject: Re: Multi effect pedal and effect return
Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:51 am
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In addition to the other 28 it had on board before firmware updates added more.. I know how loops work with regular amps, I didn't know if it was different with this one since it's modeling several different pre and post gain circuits depending on the preset, and whether the loop truly bypassed all
that, or was still colored by the modeling
like the older mustang 1 and 2.

That's the question. Does the loop bypass everything and make it basically a loudspeaker.


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