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Post subject: Re: Shane's new GT100 review
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:55 pm
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tele-de-fender wrote:
FWIW....here's my post in the aforementioned youtube video:

I love the GT...

So coming from a Mustang III v2, which I really liked - and which was also universally praised - I'm surprised to hear that so many feel that the GT is lacking in the tone department and a step backward...and I think I might know at least why some find them rather compressed/boxy sounding , sort of like the "recording of an amp" instead of the real thing......

The culprit: the go-to default setting...as set by the good people over @ Fender...and a mistake IMHO

Here's what I mean: for most all the amps (and thus the factory presets), and epsecially true every single time u switch to other amps in edit mode to audition and make your own patches, this is what u get by default : noise gate: off, gate placement: pre, sag: matched....Now the important point to remember here is that this exact setting actually sounded great in the previous generation....

Well, not so with the GT...first & most importantly, SAG...just set it to "less" and be done with it....whereas "matched" was the better choice in the 3v2, in the GT, it just kills the dynamics and you lose that live amp-in-the-room feel...and u can forget about "more" sag altogether...btw, at least prior to the recent V2 update, the GT was in the bad habit of sometimes randomly changing parameters by itself....so this was easy to miss...even I forgot to check for it...thankfully now the GT software seems to be more stable...

Even, the noise gate acts weird in the GT...counter-intuitvely, its absence does not necessarily improve the tone at the expense of allowing unwanted noise in the circuit, rather, when the gate is off, there is a bit of a loss of tone strangely enough...but perhaps, this is not at all as noticeable as the sag adjustment....either way, with all my presets, I set NG to at least the "low" setting placed "post" just to be safe...

So in summary, I've found that with each preset u must delve a little deeper into the amp settings to play around with the above-mentioned parameters....these effect the overall "feel" of the amp more than the EQ settings which are there to shape its "tone"....

My 2c...



I agree with you comments about sag, less sounds better.

However, I was actually impressed how transparently I thought the noise gate worked. Even on Super, I didn't feel it too badly while playing and sound remains fairly consistent.

I would also add that my experience points to some of the cab models for the boxy sound that you can get. Just as a test, whenever something sounds this way, switch the cab to something like the one from the dual showman with two JBLs. It may be that this is just the sound I prefer, but I love the sound of some of the amp models through this cab.


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Post subject: Re: Shane's new GT100 review
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:20 pm
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If I may offer my Unqualified opinion... :| I am well aware of the tone advantage of Tube amps. I recently returned a very good sounding 15 watt import tube amp that had reverb issues and poor build quality. The Tolex was cut short and peeling like a onion. It was hard to overlook the flaws even though it did sound good when it wanted to. Sometimes you would turn it on and the reverb wasn't there. Back it went. I plan to devote those funds toward a GT 200. Why? The versatility and options are a learning opportunity and a sound playground for me. With pedals going for $40.00 to hundreds of dollars each its a chance to experience so many options makes it a great chance to learn and try. I am not a wealthy person and $450.00 is not chump change but its not big money either. I know its not the be all end all. Nothing really is. Its a option I think I will benefit from. The price of the transaction is in line with what I think will be fair. Now I must add I do not need a GT 200. A 100 is plenty in fact still more than I need. However if you buy the 100 and the optional pedal the 200 is a cheap upgrade I may as well take advantage of. If Fender made a 50 Watt with a 12" speaker and a pedal that would be fine for me. With my limited experience I still see a advantage of a 12" speaker and 2 of them is fine with me. Turn it down and use it at a reasonable levels and it has lots of reserve overhead which can't hurt a thing. Do I still want another Tube Amp? Well of course I do! But my next Tube amp will probably be twice the price of a GT 200 so it can wait a while.. If my thought process is flawed please speak up. I live to learn and being wrong is not something I have not experienced.


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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:01 pm
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If I may offer my Unqualified opinion... :| I am well aware of the tone advantage of Tube amps. I recently returned a very good sounding 15 watt import tube amp that had reverb issues and poor build quality. The Tolex was cut short and peeling like a onion. It was hard to overlook the flaws even though it did sound good when it wanted to. Sometimes you would turn it on and the reverb wasn't there. Back it went. I plan to devote those funds toward a GT 200. Why? The versatility and options are a learning opportunity and a sound playground for me. With pedals going for $40.00 to hundreds of dollars each its a chance to experience so many options makes it a great chance to learn and try. I am not a wealthy person and $450.00 is not chump change but its not big money either. I know its not the be all end all. Nothing really is. Its a option I think I will benefit from. The price of the transaction is in line with what I think will be fair. Now I must add I do not need a GT 200. A 100 is plenty in fact still more than I need. However if you buy the 100 and the optional pedal the 200 is a cheap upgrade I may as well take advantage of. If Fender made a 50 Watt with a 12" speaker and a pedal that would be fine for me. With my limited experience I still see a advantage of a 12" speaker and 2 of them is fine with me. Turn it down and use it at a reasonable levels and it has lots of reserve overhead which can't hurt a thing. Do I still want another Tube Amp? Well of course I do! But my next Tube amp will probably be twice the price of a GT 200 so it can wait a while.. If my thought process is flawed please speak up. I live to learn and being wrong is not something I have not experienced.


Like you, I was going to buy a GT200 because, coming with the pedal, it made it an attractive deal. But actually in the shop, I was able to get a superb deal on the GT100. Competition is fierce and they were eager to price match so low that, despite having to buy a pedal, the GT100 was the better deal.

Also, it's is a lot lighter only having to carry one speaker. Volume wise, it's plenty loud enough.


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Post subject: Re: Shane's new GT100 review
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:10 pm
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I'd be interested to hear how you like the EV in the Mustang. I don't find it surprising at all that different people prefer different speaker's sounds for their base tone. You mention it being like turning down the treble. btw. I suppose you have tried the global eq bright cut with the Celestion?


First of all, i've had this amp since the day it hit the showroom floor about april '17. So this was not my first try with the EV. In fact, i have tried a number of speakers and at one point had a ext jack on it so i could use the internal speaker and another and stuck a celestion 100 8 ohm in it and used an ext cab with the EV for a 4 ohm total. Also has a WGS ET90 4 ohm i used as the internal speaker for a while. Been thru a lot, and as i keep saying the stock speaker is about the worse speaker they could have used. A fender rep even admitted it was a compromise between guitar tone and streaming music. IMO they should never had made this a all in one practice and gig amp with streaming music capability. The GT40 should have been for that and these should have been a non compromise gigging amp with a proper speaker. The stock speaker is not a total FR affair, but it IS partway there. Theres WAY too much high end and more then that, low end. When i try and play at stage volume the low end begins to fart out and feedback till i lower the bass, and at that point it becomes unusably thin. Turn the bass up to remedy that and theres the low end resonance again. At home it's fine, but i could no gig with it.

Neither the EV, the celestion 100, or the ET90 did that, and i mean not even a tad. Issue 100% gone. It's not the right speaker for this amp in a gig situation. Yes, some can use it if they are using very clean sounds. I use classic rock degrees of OD and for me that speaker is unusable for a gig. The EV? Very good. Not sure yet if it's what i would leave in it if i keep the amp. But since V2 i decided to run thru the speaker swaps i did in the past and see if with the 2 new models i like i can get something worth keeping out of the amp. In any case, no matter the speaker, as long as it's a guitar speaker anything is IMO better than the stock speaker unless you play only at home in which case I personally still don't like it as much as others, but at least there it reveals no issues. It just has a very bad frequency curve for guitar, but at low volume like with any speaker the curve more or less flattens out so you don't have any issues. I'm going to put the celestion 100 in it in a few days and give that a run too. If they ever redesign this amp with a class AB output like the katana and a proper speaker i know it would be a far different and better amp. I'll be the first in line to try one out.

Oh, and yes, i have played with global EQ and probably spent more time tweaking every possible thing in this amp as much as anyone, probably more. For me theres no question....it's down to the hardware. Thats where all my issues are based and I had played with all EQ's ad nausium trying to fix it as much as it can be fixed. But this is band aid stuff. Thats why i went to the source and did a speaker swap. Unfortunately the other problem area for me is the power amp and that i can't just swap out.


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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:40 pm
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J4zz wrote:

I'd be interested to hear how you like the EV in the Mustang. I don't find it surprising at all that different people prefer different speaker's sounds for their base tone. You mention it being like turning down the treble. btw. I suppose you have tried the global eq bright cut with the Celestion?


First of all, i've had this amp since the day it hit the showroom floor about april '17. So this was not my first try with the EV. In fact, i have tried a number of speakers and at one point had a ext jack on it so i could use the internal speaker and another and stuck a celestion 100 8 ohm in it and used an ext cab with the EV for a 4 ohm total. Also has a WGS ET90 4 ohm i used as the internal speaker for a while. Been thru a lot, and as i keep saying the stock speaker is about the worse speaker they could have used. A fender rep even admitted it was a compromise between guitar tone and streaming music. IMO they should never had made this a all in one practice and gig amp with streaming music capability. The GT40 should have been for that and these should have been a non compromise gigging amp with a proper speaker. The stock speaker is not a total FR affair, but it IS partway there. Theres WAY too much high end and more then that, low end. When i try and play at stage volume the low end begins to fart out and feedback till i lower the bass, and at that point it becomes unusably thin. Turn the bass up to remedy that and theres the low end resonance again. At home it's fine, but i could no gig with it.

Neither the EV, the celestion 100, or the ET90 did that, and i mean not even a tad. Issue 100% gone. It's not the right speaker for this amp in a gig situation. Yes, some can use it if they are using very clean sounds. I use classic rock degrees of OD and for me that speaker is unusable for a gig. The EV? Very good. Not sure yet if it's what i would leave in it if i keep the amp. But since V2 i decided to run thru the speaker swaps i did in the past and see if with the 2 new models i like i can get something worth keeping out of the amp. In any case, no matter the speaker, as long as it's a guitar speaker anything is IMO better than the stock speaker unless you play only at home in which case I personally still don't like it as much as others, but at least there it reveals no issues. It just has a very bad frequency curve for guitar, but at low volume like with any speaker the curve more or less flattens out so you don't have any issues. I'm going to put the celestion 100 in it in a few days and give that a run too. If they ever redesign this amp with a class AB output like the katana and a proper speaker i know it would be a far different and better amp. I'll be the first in line to try one out.

Oh, and yes, i have played with global EQ and probably spent more time tweaking every possible thing in this amp as much as anyone, probably more. For me theres no question....it's down to the hardware. Thats where all my issues are based and I had played with all EQ's ad nausium trying to fix it as much as it can be fixed. But this is band aid stuff. Thats why i went to the source and did a speaker swap. Unfortunately the other problem area for me is the power amp and that i can't just swap out.


At the end of the new video Shane mentioned he might even swap the speaker in his new GT100. It will be interesting what he tries and thinks of the result.

I am in full agreement that the speaker selection it comes with is exactly as you say, a compromise to allow it to play backing tracks, and as I am doing, even feed vocals through it. It stands to reason that a favourite guitar speaker swap will give you a better performance just used with guitar.

However it will compromise your ability to model other speaker cabinets, as the inherent tone on the guitar speaker you put in it, will mix with the modelled tone of the target cabinet. It may be more giggable, but it will be less useful as a full modeller.

So, it depends what you want. As you say, clean tones work well enough with the stock speaker - and that's me completely satisfied right there. I don't like heaps of overdrive and distortion anyway, so I am never going to like the sound of those models. Give me clean, with a little crunch on the top occasionally.

As an aside, I just downloaded a patch, and with a little tweaking, I have nailed the original Hank Marvin sound. Good example of what this amp does well.


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Post subject: Re: Shane's new GT100 review
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:17 am
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J4zz wrote:
However it will compromise your ability to model other speaker cabinets, as the inherent tone on the guitar speaker you put in it, will mix with the modelled tone of the target cabinet. It may be more giggable, but it will be less useful as a full modeller.


For me thats not an issue because i don't see the GT as a amp to model other amps because i really don't find the models all that close to begin with. I see everything including the cabs as nothing more than different EQ curves and ways to change the overall character. However, changing the speakers doesn't really lose each model's basic character. I find they remain what they were and the difference is just like a EQ change more or less. So to my ear however close each model DOES get to the real thing, that remains after speaker change. Look at it this way....you buy a tube amp and change the speaker and it changes the overall amp's sound a bit but it;s still the same amp. Same thing happens here. But the value in doing it also like a regular amp is tha there are things which change that can't e done with EQ which is why people change speakers to begin with.

So in any case the basic character of each model sounds the same to me, just less problematic. Look at it like this....a singer can change and improve their vocals with a different mic, but he could use ANY mic including a $0.50 PC mic and Rod Stewart will still sound exactly like Rod Stewart, tho the vocal tone will suck.


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Look at it like this....a singer can change and improve their vocals with a different mic, but he could use ANY mic including a $0.50 PC mic and Rod Stewart will still sound exactly like Rod Stewart, tho the vocal tone will suck.


Carrying on from that thought, audience don't go to gigs to listen to 'tones' and don't give a hoot what speakers or amps you use. The song is the hero and it helps if it is well played/sung. My guitar(s) are personal but I will play though any amplifier that is available. In over 50 years nobody has ever said, 'Man, I don't like your amp tone!' Might have complained about the odd bum note, but never the amp tone.


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Do you seriously think there's a single guitar player on the planet who buys amps or guitars based on the audience? Do you buy an amp thinking the audience will like it? I never once heard anything remotely like that, and anyone who even thinks the audience cares is fooling them selves,. On the other hand, yes, you are right that the song is everything and how well you play it, but along those lines if you get a great sounding and much more so FEELING amp, (touch sensitive) you will play better and thats why people are always looking at new gear, If you believe otherwise you're fooling yourself. So i'm not even sure what your point is. People play music for themselves, not for the audience, and they buy gear for the same reason. And if there's an audience for them they will then do that but only if they are satisfying themselves first in all respects including tone. I personally have sold amps that sound better than the one i kept just because the one i kept had better touch sensitivity. The audience won't know that but they will know if i'm playing great, and w/o touch i'd suck. But the tone won't sound different.

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Look at it like this....a singer can change and improve their vocals with a different mic, but he could use ANY mic including a $0.50 PC mic and Rod Stewart will still sound exactly like Rod Stewart, tho the vocal tone will suck.


Carrying on from that thought, audience don't go to gigs to listen to 'tones' and don't give a hoot what speakers or amps you use. The song is the hero and it helps if it is well played/sung. My guitar(s) are personal but I will play though any amplifier that is available. In over 50 years nobody has ever said, 'Man, I don't like your amp tone!' Might have complained about the odd bum note, but never the amp tone.


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7216 wrote:
If I may offer my Unqualified opinion... :| I am well aware of the tone advantage of Tube amps. I recently returned a very good sounding 15 watt import tube amp that had reverb issues and poor build quality. The Tolex was cut short and peeling like a onion. It was hard to overlook the flaws even though it did sound good when it wanted to. Sometimes you would turn it on and the reverb wasn't there. Back it went. I plan to devote those funds toward a GT 200. Why? The versatility and options are a learning opportunity and a sound playground for me. With pedals going for $40.00 to hundreds of dollars each its a chance to experience so many options makes it a great chance to learn and try. I am not a wealthy person and $450.00 is not chump change but its not big money either. I know its not the be all end all. Nothing really is. Its a option I think I will benefit from. The price of the transaction is in line with what I think will be fair. Now I must add I do not need a GT 200. A 100 is plenty in fact still more than I need. However if you buy the 100 and the optional pedal the 200 is a cheap upgrade I may as well take advantage of. If Fender made a 50 Watt with a 12" speaker and a pedal that would be fine for me. With my limited experience I still see a advantage of a 12" speaker and 2 of them is fine with me. Turn it down and use it at a reasonable levels and it has lots of reserve overhead which can't hurt a thing. Do I still want another Tube Amp? Well of course I do! But my next Tube amp will probably be twice the price of a GT 200 so it can wait a while.. If my thought process is flawed please speak up. I live to learn and being wrong is not something I have not experienced.



I bought the GT 100 for a good price, then bought a brand new 4 button pedal from Amazon for the Mustang series for $54, and Fender sent me a magnetic overlay to match the GT features/layout. Great deal all the way around.


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If I may offer my Unqualified opinion... :| I am well aware of the tone advantage of Tube amps. I recently returned a very good sounding 15 watt import tube amp that had reverb issues and poor build quality. The Tolex was cut short and peeling like a onion. It was hard to overlook the flaws even though it did sound good when it wanted to. Sometimes you would turn it on and the reverb wasn't there. Back it went. I plan to devote those funds toward a GT 200. Why? The versatility and options are a learning opportunity and a sound playground for me. With pedals going for $40.00 to hundreds of dollars each its a chance to experience so many options makes it a great chance to learn and try. I am not a wealthy person and $450.00 is not chump change but its not big money either. I know its not the be all end all. Nothing really is. Its a option I think I will benefit from. The price of the transaction is in line with what I think will be fair. Now I must add I do not need a GT 200. A 100 is plenty in fact still more than I need. However if you buy the 100 and the optional pedal the 200 is a cheap upgrade I may as well take advantage of. If Fender made a 50 Watt with a 12" speaker and a pedal that would be fine for me. With my limited experience I still see a advantage of a 12" speaker and 2 of them is fine with me. Turn it down and use it at a reasonable levels and it has lots of reserve overhead which can't hurt a thing. Do I still want another Tube Amp? Well of course I do! But my next Tube amp will probably be twice the price of a GT 200 so it can wait a while.. If my thought process is flawed please speak up. I live to learn and being wrong is not something I have not experienced.



I bought the GT 100 for a good price, then bought a brand new 4 button pedal from Amazon for the Mustang series for $54, and Fender sent me a magnetic overlay to match the GT features/layout. Great deal all the way around.


Excuse my theory but my local Guitar Center claims they stock the 100 but I have never seen one in the store. They do admit they do not stock the 200. I have always assumed Guitar Center would have the complete Fender Amp line in stores. They don't seem to do that. I am always willing to jump to a conclusion sometimes on thin facts. Ok lets not call it a conclusion lets call it a concern. Why would Guitar Center not have them in stock and on display? I can't answer that but it concerns me as to how the product is moving. If they don't have it in stock they aren't as hot on working a deal. Having any product right under your nose makes it easier to make the buying decision. While I am not trying to be negative all this is in the back of my mind rolling around. With the other concerns how can a admitted gear hog not still be a bit timid about making the buy?


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So i'm not even sure what your point is. People play music for themselves, not for the audience, and they buy gear for the same reason.


I can tell that you have never been a professional musician. In Scotland, we have a saying "He who pays the piper calls the tune." A professional musician will plug into whatever amp is at the venue and play as best s/he can. If it is not the brand or model that they prefer, they can always walk off in a huff and take the consequences. I have played through some sh***y gear in my day, but I smiled and looked like I was enjoying myself. My bank manager was happy!


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Only for 25 years, but i'd say that's enough to know u don't buy gear for the audience and you don't play to an audience that is there for music you don't play. You buy gear for yourself and you play for the proper audience for the music you enjoy playing. Have you ever gone to a jazz gig and played metal? No, you find the audience for what YOU chose to play because it's the kind of music you like. Same with gear....u choose what works for you. If you don't get that then i have no idea how you could be a pro. Let me ask you this....when u buy an amp do you bring the audience with u to the store?
If you really believe what u said then buy a bottom line squier and a $100 walmart amp....what are you doing with the $400 GT when the audience can't tell? (rhetorical question because you HAVE no answer unless you agree with me that you buy what works for you) And by the way, u say you played thru some $hitty amps in your day that were supplied.....what do u mean by that? The audience can't tell as you have already said. What makes them $hitty and why did you buy the GT when u can get much cheaper amps that will do the job? Get real man.


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Excuse my theory but my local Guitar Center claims they stock the 100 but I have never seen one in the store. They do admit they do not stock the 200. I have always assumed Guitar Center would have the complete Fender Amp line in stores. They don't seem to do that. I am always willing to jump to a conclusion sometimes on thin facts. Ok lets not call it a conclusion lets call it a concern. Why would Guitar Center not have them in stock and on display? I can't answer that but it concerns me as to how the product is moving. If they don't have it in stock they aren't as hot on working a deal. Having any product right under your nose makes it easier to make the buying decision. While I am not trying to be negative all this is in the back of my mind rolling around. With the other concerns how can a admitted gear hog not still be a bit timid about making the buy?


I do not know Guitar center as they don't have stores over here, but maybe they are like a number of chains I do know, that minimise stock by spreading it around their stores, and will get it sent to your local store if that store doesn't have any when a customer is interested?

Local stores around here that sell Fender gear have one on display and when I bought my GT100, they also had unopened stock for me to take home. That tells me they must sell a few of them.


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And by the way, u say you played thru some $hitty amps in your day that were supplied.....what do u mean by that?

Well I can explain that. I've played in a LOT of gigs where I show up with all my gear just to be told I won't be using anything but my guitar, pedalboard (if I choose to) and a wire.
The guy telling you this information is the same guy who runs the mixing board. You can argue with him, but I don't advise it. It's his house. So you go along with it and play through a mic'd Frontman 25 while your 100 watt Mustang amp sits out in your car, hopefully not getting stolen while you play.

In the sound guy's defense, I've seen the other scenario and it's not pretty either. Everyone sets up their gear in layers and fight for power. Each band has to break down while the next band comes on stage and plugs in. Hopefully nobody knocks anyone else's power out. Hopefully the band before you moves their asses and gets out of the way.

And I'm not talking about bar bands (let's not start throwing the "p" word around).


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No, you missed the point. I get what u r saying but what i was saying to him was not a question, it was a rhetorical question. My main point which started this in the first place was to rebut him suggesting that the gear isn't important if the audience can't tell. When i asked "And by the way, u say you played thru some $hitty amps in your day that were supplied.....what do u mean by that? "What i was saying (not asking) is here he is suggesting tone doesn't matter since the audience can't hear it, so why then was he talking about having to use $hitty amps ? He's suggesting he's a pro for doing that with a smile which suggests he DOES like good sounding gear. Yet he joined this conversation to say what does good sounding gear matter if the audience can't hear it. The whole debate he started is that he;s suggesting if the audience can't hear it it dioesn't matter, and i then said people upgrade thier amps and gear to get better tone FOR THEMSELVES, not the audience. He doesn't buy that. I worked in a job where i dealt with 100's of guitar players, many of them teachers and damn good players many of which you'd know. I talked to them about gear all the time for near 20 years and not one of them will disagree with me. They buy gear 4 themselves to get better tone and feel, period. But this guy here will deny that because it was ME that said it. He replies to me all the time to oppose anything i say even if he has to twist his own beliefs to be on the other side of the debate. Thats why i didn't just roll my eyes and move on. Tired of guys like this on forums.

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And by the way, u say you played thru some $hitty amps in your day that were supplied.....what do u mean by that?

Well I can explain that. I've played in a LOT of gigs where I show up with all my gear just to be told I won't be using anything but my guitar, pedalboard (if I choose to) and a wire.
The guy telling you this information is the same guy who runs the mixing board. You can argue with him, but I don't advise it. It's his house. So you go along with it and play through a mic'd Frontman 25 while your 100 watt Mustang amp sits out in your car, hopefully not getting stolen while you play.

In the sound guy's defense, I've seen the other scenario and it's not pretty either. Everyone sets up their gear in layers and fight for power. Each band has to break down while the next band comes on stage and plugs in. Hopefully nobody knocks anyone else's power out. Hopefully the band before you moves their asses and gets out of the way.

And I'm not talking about bar bands (let's not start throwing the "p" word around).


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