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Post subject: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:37 am
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Hello,
Mustangs GT had a pretty shity reviews lately and these didnt really sound very good. I wanted to ask, are those any better after v2 frimeware update? I'd like to buy one but I dont want to waste my time and money :)
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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:46 pm
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I wouldn't go by online reviews alone. What are you comparing it to? Is 'tone' your primary concern or features? How do you plan to use your amp? It's not a good/bad thing. Whether you will be happy with a GT amp depends on your needs.


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:51 pm
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
I wouldn't go by online reviews alone. What are you comparing it to? Is 'tone' your primary concern or features? How do you plan to use your amp? It's not a good/bad thing. Whether you will be happy with a GT amp depends on your needs.

I want gt100 for giging so i want a decent tone


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:12 pm
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Well even in the early reviews, the tone doesn't sound bad to my ear. I think there were a lot of functionality issues and a few still remain. Your best bet is to go try one out at a store. Make sure it's updated (if not, maybe asked them to show you how so they update it). Personally I would not use this particular amp for really 'heavy' music. Pantera no, Metallica maybe, AC/DC yes.


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:01 am
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I have the GT100. My main interest is the clean tones of the Fender amp models, and I think they are excellent on this amp. The twin, deluxe, bassman - all very good, and the new showman model in the latest software is superb.

The best way to improve or find the tone you want, is to try different cabinets with whatever amp model you are experimenting with.


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:22 am
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IMO, while great strides have been made with updates, the amp;s basic or "core" tone has not changed. Probably because that is in large pat defined by the power amp can and speaker which have not changed. For me that core tone just doesn't cut it so i moved on. You CAN gig with it, and maybe in time u can get better tone than I did. But theres just a certain thing in the top end to my ear thats not quite right, something i find with a lot of modelers. I now use a katana artit and to me every inch of the tone is completely realistic and very good. But the mustang is far better when it comes to effects use. The kats effects SOUND better, but they are nearly useless for gigging due to not being adjustable at a gig, only when connected to PC and using boss' app to adjust parameters. So it depends on how important tone is to you and how important effects are. I use a little delay for ambience and occasional chorus, so effects are not real important and i can use those fine without adjusting them live, tho it DOES allow one parameter per effect so i CAN adjust the delay strength. To me, great tone is everything and with all the GT's advantages over the artist, the much better (IMO) tone of the katana makes my decision for me. By the way, it's mainly band use where i have tonal issues with the GT. At home and lower volume its much better. Still not perfect but much easier to like. The kat is far far easier to dial in for me in a band context. Takes me 3 minutes and the GT would have me spending a half hour just to make it acceptable to me. And not being able to do that often i'd find myself never getting fully happy with my tone playing out. YMMV but that was my experience, tho note i am VERY picky about tone, so consider that. I would say go to a guitar center if u have one nearby and just buy one because they give you 45 days to return it for a full refund no questions asked, and really the only way u will truly know if it's for you is to play one for a time. I;d pick it up within 45 days of a scheduled gig so you can try it there where it matters to you.


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:41 pm
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well, here's my 2 cents:

I've yet to play "the Kat"....so I can't comment on that one....but lets just pick another amp for "reference", and that is the old Mustang V2, which I had prior to getting the GT....and which should be familiar to a whole lotta people here...

So in comparison to the old one....there is no comparison really....the "unwanted top end" mentioned b4 was very evident to me on the old mustang actually....yet completely absent on the GT....so it's surprising to hear that mentioned....not that I would dismiss it....it's just that I'm hearing something else...that's all....u have to draw your own conclusions utlimately....

And ever since the recent v2 upgrade, the "placebo effect" must have kicked in as I think the GT sounds even better than b4....or perhaps it's because now it seems to be able to actually save my edits/patches....so of course, they're going to sound better than b4 the update when everytime I turned on the amp, I'd be hearing something different.....some would understandebly blame that on the amp's tonality....whereas I believe the true culprit was that the parameters would show one thing "visually" but the actual sound coming out of the speaker would be something else altogether....so naturally u would think that the amp sux cuz such & such amp shouldn't sound so compressed or whatever else u were expecting from your settings...but again, the amp has/had problems with its software....

Anyway so melikes what I'm hearing big time.....but on the functionality/implementation side of things....still lacking....plus the footswitch is non-useable for live as far as I'm concerned...

all that said, best all-around amp I've ever had....


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:37 pm
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"Unwanted top end" isn't exactly what i said. I said there's something about it i don't like. Hard to describe. The old mustang also had a top end issue but it was very different and i prefer the GT's top. But neither is good enough to consider using it live for me. Not that i can't but i spend the whole nite trying to dial it in instead of getting into the music and playing. That doesn't happen with my katana. the GT IMO is best suited for home us and recording. Itls a great amp in many ways but it just has a flaw in the basic tone to my ear, especially, and i'd almost be willing to say "only" at stage volumes. Thats my take anyways, YMMV.


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:48 pm
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oczad wrote:
"Unwanted top end" isn't exactly what i said. I said there's something about it i don't like. Hard to describe. The old mustang also had a top end issue but it was very different and i prefer the GT's top. But neither is good enough to consider using it live for me. Not that i can't but i spend the whole nite trying to dial it in instead of getting into the music and playing. That doesn't happen with my katana. the GT IMO is best suited for home us and recording. Itls a great amp in many ways but it just has a flaw in the basic tone to my ear, especially, and i'd almost be willing to say "only" at stage volumes. Thats my take anyways, YMMV.


Fair enough...

While I still think the GT offers the most flexible & varied "useable" sounds that I've come across in any amp....ever...I must also add that I sincerely hope that this also holds true in a live setting....it must be said that great tone notwithstanding, the GT has simply been too unreliable for me otherwise to use live so I've yet to guage its sound as such...

So yeah...


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:37 pm
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I too have a Mustang GT-100 and Katana 100, plus a load of other valve and modelling amps. Unlike Oczad, I much prefer the sound of the Mustang GT-100 to the Katana 100, and always have. The GT-100 will give you just about any guitar amp sound you like. The Katana is one dimensional. It has 8 preset slots where the Mustang has 200. No matter what I do, the I can't get a good clean 'Fender' amp tone from a Katana and that's the sound I want. I don't do pedals, I just want a big Twin Reverb sound without breaking my back.


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:43 pm
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Well, at the gear page there have been about 5 guys that had or have both the 100 and the Katana artist and to a man they all say it sounds much better then the regular 100. Having played the 100 i tend to agree tho i have no time on one other then in the store. But i disliked it pretty intensely. The artist had me pulling out my wallet. So you may be right on the GT vs katana. I dunno. But my artist is so much more realistic and just plain better in it's core tone theres no contest. The kat is also nit remotely one dimensional if you use PC to add sneaky amps. Within them theres a world of great tones. 2 that IMO and the opinions of a lot of TGP'ers, much better then the front panel sounds. I have those saved to the amp and they are all i use. Those + the artist and the GT can't even stay in the same room with it. And you want a twin w/o breaking your back? Sneaky amps clean twin and kat artist....not even close. The feel alone is so superior to the GT fender cleans it's comical. Again, i'm one of many at TGP that agree with that. Front panel clean vs GT....not so much, those i'd even prefer that because to me the GTls feel is not right on the clean sound. Nothing at all like a real fender.


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:07 pm
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oczad wrote:
Front panel clean vs GT....not so much, those i'd even prefer that because to me the GTls feel is not right on the clean sound. Nothing at all like a real fender.



It's almost like we aren't listening to the same amp. Took me 10 minutes in the shop to say, THAT's the Fender twin reverb clean tone I want, and had me, as you say, reaching for my money. Maybe the shop guy knew what he was doing. The great thing is that I have tweaked that tone even further now and could not be happier. Sounds very like the real thing.


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:59 am
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I think it really depends on the type of music you're playing. I play a lot of Country/Blues stuff, with a little pop here and there. The GT100 works great for me (after V2). I love the Twin,Princeton,57 Deluxe patches, as they can be tweaked to sound very "real". Tone is subjective, and every ear hears the same thing differently. I would like to see more "capability" with the footswitch for live use, but maybe that's coming later. For right now, I couldn't be happier. It really likes my EBMM Albert Lee and that's all that matters to me.


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:15 pm
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In fact, if you think with a little logic firmware grow better from version to version, for instance, the Firmware 2.0 adds more utility and a few more amp, models. On the other hand, the big change since 1st production Mustang GT is (finally) the 4 button foot controller and Android "Fender Tone" app bluetooth remote is reliable.
To sum up it still lack the one we need the most from the Gt's - more user control and less notes that are not that handy when it comes to an actual usage


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Post subject: Re: are mustangs GT any better?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:56 pm
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Ok, I just need to put things back into "perspective"....this has never been about who's right or who's wrong...or bringing up various "testimonials" from here & there to prove your point and whatnot...these threads are - or should be - all about trying to bring out the best in our investment...in this amp....and more importantly, in our overall sound...

So with that being said, I must "reiterate"....the only way for me to provide a "reference" sound is to bring up the mustang III v2, which I replaced with the GT...and that should be familiar to a good number of people here....

No contest...

Not even close...

And I really liked the 3 v2....

Dynamics...bite..."tube-like compression"....distortion without muddiness...I mean, really, I could go on & on....but u name it, the GT got it....except...."reliabiltiy & implementation"....which has improved a lot, btw...but still not there...

Remember, we're all in this thing together...


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