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Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Mustang GT100
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:18 pm
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Ok, first thing, plz plz pleeeeez nobody get offended with what I'm about to say...my post here is just to share my own experience...nothing else...

So with that being said, here we go:

you know how kids today can do "magic" with their various electronic devices while older folk, perhaps generally less?

Well, I came of age during the dawn of the age of modelling...and I've been at it ever since....as such, I believe I kinda know my way around a modeller...now, why did I mention the "kids today"? Well, it's cuz I've noticed that perhaps some of the musicians who were raised on tube amps, while they know their "tone" inside out, perhaps do have a little more difficulty getting the best out of their modelling amps (just like the current vs older generation using todays technology)...

The GT100 is easily the best modelling "anything" I've ever played....and I've had a whole bunch of them...just to put things in perspective, it beats the pants out of my Mustang III v2....it's not even close...I usually play my amps regularly in a band setting though not so much with the GT, however...just coincidence...we're in a bit of a "hiatus", which is soon about to change.....so most of my observations are in a bedroom setting...but again, I did play the old Mustang under the same conditions....and it's no contest tonally....

Not to say the GT is perfect....far from it....it's not a stable platform all around...tone app is problematic, to say the least...the footswitch is not useable live....u can't back up your presets...presets sound different everytime I turn on the amp....etc. etc.....but these problems are independent of the fundamental sound of the amp, which is amazing....

Here's a little trick I use to set myself up for a band mix....not that it's clever or anything....when I'm setting up my presets at home, I try to add some, lets say "harshness"....so that they don't sound so smooth and pleasing (which they do)....cuz otherwise, when u play live, their going to get buried in the mix....easy enough...

I can go on & on...but this cheap wine is really kicking in and "i forget"......


I'm from that "tube generation" but I ditched my Peavey for a GK solid state head back in 1987 and have been SS ever since :) I do to agree with you to some extent though. I had only delved in modeling (Line 6 POD, early Vox modelers etc) a tiny bit back in the early 2000's. I could work my way around the Boss COSM stuff, but when I bought my Helix last year I was totally lost and almost returned it because I could not get a good sound out of it to save my life. Thankfully I found some great tutorials and videos to get me on the right path. Now you'd have to pry my Helix from my cold dead hands.

It is a different world for sure. Modeling requires a little understanding of EQ, speaker and mic placement/type among other things beyond just the tone knobs, sure, but these amps are designed with speakers in place and for the most part tuned to the cone in the box. It's not as much of a leap from a traditional amp to a GT as it would to a Kemper or Axe FX where you are dealing with speaker IR's etc. Of course this is all in my humble opinion. Us old guys are smart too :D

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Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Mustang GT100
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:27 pm
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tele-de-fender wrote:
Ok, first thing, plz plz pleeeeez nobody get offended with what I'm about to say...my post here is just to share my own experience...nothing else...

So with that being said, here we go:

you know how kids today can do "magic" with their various electronic devices while older folk, perhaps generally less?

Well, I came of age during the dawn of the age of modelling...and I've been at it ever since....as such, I believe I kinda know my way around a modeller...now, why did I mention the "kids today"? Well, it's cuz I've noticed that perhaps some of the musicians who were raised on tube amps, while they know their "tone" inside out, perhaps do have a little more difficulty getting the best out of their modelling amps (just like the current vs older generation using todays technology)...

The GT100 is easily the best modelling "anything" I've ever played....and I've had a whole bunch of them...just to put things in perspective, it beats the pants out of my Mustang III v2....it's not even close...I usually play my amps regularly in a band setting though not so much with the GT, however...just coincidence...we're in a bit of a "hiatus", which is soon about to change.....so most of my observations are in a bedroom setting...but again, I did play the old Mustang under the same conditions....and it's no contest tonally....

Not to say the GT is perfect....far from it....it's not a stable platform all around...tone app is problematic, to say the least...the footswitch is not useable live....u can't back up your presets...presets sound different everytime I turn on the amp....etc. etc.....but these problems are independent of the fundamental sound of the amp, which is amazing....

Here's a little trick I use to set myself up for a band mix....not that it's clever or anything....when I'm setting up my presets at home, I try to add some, lets say "harshness"....so that they don't sound so smooth and pleasing (which they do)....cuz otherwise, when u play live, their going to get buried in the mix....easy enough...

I can go on & on...but this cheap wine is really kicking in and "i forget"......


I'm from that "tube generation" but I ditched my Peavey for a GK solid state head back in 1987 and have been SS ever since :) I do to agree with you to some extent though. I had only delved in modeling (Line 6 POD, early Vox modelers etc) a tiny bit back in the early 2000's. I could work my way around the Boss COSM stuff, but when I bought my Helix last year I was totally lost and almost returned it because I could not get a good sound out of it to save my life. Thankfully I found some great tutorials and videos to get me on the right path. Now you'd have to pry my Helix from my cold dead hands.

It is a different world for sure. Modeling requires a little understanding of EQ, speaker and mic placement/type among other things beyond just the tone knobs, sure, but these amps are designed with speakers in place and for the most part tuned to the cone in the box. It's not as much of a leap from a traditional amp to a GT as it would to a Kemper or Axe FX where you are dealing with speaker IR's etc. Of course this is all in my humble opinion. Us old guys are smart too :D


Hey, I did say I belong to "the dawn of modelling era"....which makes me, well, not so young....tho I do look it if I do say so myself....

Seriously though, I find that in modelling sometimes things are counter-intuitive, or not what you would expect from a tube amp....like for instance, I've seen lots of people mention preferring the 4x12 cabs in the GT....whereas I find them the least useful.....in fact, I can get close to metal sounds using the Fender cabs, obviously along with the appropriate amps, drives, etc.


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Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Mustang GT100
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:10 pm
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tele-de-fender wrote:
ajb1965 wrote:
tele-de-fender wrote:
Ok, first thing, plz plz pleeeeez nobody get offended with what I'm about to say...my post here is just to share my own experience...nothing else...

So with that being said, here we go:

you know how kids today can do "magic" with their various electronic devices while older folk, perhaps generally less?

Well, I came of age during the dawn of the age of modelling...and I've been at it ever since....as such, I believe I kinda know my way around a modeller...now, why did I mention the "kids today"? Well, it's cuz I've noticed that perhaps some of the musicians who were raised on tube amps, while they know their "tone" inside out, perhaps do have a little more difficulty getting the best out of their modelling amps (just like the current vs older generation using todays technology)...

The GT100 is easily the best modelling "anything" I've ever played....and I've had a whole bunch of them...just to put things in perspective, it beats the pants out of my Mustang III v2....it's not even close...I usually play my amps regularly in a band setting though not so much with the GT, however...just coincidence...we're in a bit of a "hiatus", which is soon about to change.....so most of my observations are in a bedroom setting...but again, I did play the old Mustang under the same conditions....and it's no contest tonally....

Not to say the GT is perfect....far from it....it's not a stable platform all around...tone app is problematic, to say the least...the footswitch is not useable live....u can't back up your presets...presets sound different everytime I turn on the amp....etc. etc.....but these problems are independent of the fundamental sound of the amp, which is amazing....

Here's a little trick I use to set myself up for a band mix....not that it's clever or anything....when I'm setting up my presets at home, I try to add some, lets say "harshness"....so that they don't sound so smooth and pleasing (which they do)....cuz otherwise, when u play live, their going to get buried in the mix....easy enough...

I can go on & on...but this cheap wine is really kicking in and "i forget"......


I'm from that "tube generation" but I ditched my Peavey for a GK solid state head back in 1987 and have been SS ever since :) I do to agree with you to some extent though. I had only delved in modeling (Line 6 POD, early Vox modelers etc) a tiny bit back in the early 2000's. I could work my way around the Boss COSM stuff, but when I bought my Helix last year I was totally lost and almost returned it because I could not get a good sound out of it to save my life. Thankfully I found some great tutorials and videos to get me on the right path. Now you'd have to pry my Helix from my cold dead hands.

It is a different world for sure. Modeling requires a little understanding of EQ, speaker and mic placement/type among other things beyond just the tone knobs, sure, but these amps are designed with speakers in place and for the most part tuned to the cone in the box. It's not as much of a leap from a traditional amp to a GT as it would to a Kemper or Axe FX where you are dealing with speaker IR's etc. Of course this is all in my humble opinion. Us old guys are smart too :D


Hey, I did say I belong to "the dawn of modelling"....that makes me, well, not young....tho I do look it if I do say so myself....

Seriously though, I find that in modelling sometimes things are counter-intuitive, or not what you would expect from a tube amp....like for instance, I've seen lots of people mention preferring the 4x12 cabs in the GT....whereas I find them the least useful.....in fact, I can get close to metal sounds using the Fender amps, obviously along with the appropriate amps, drives, etc.


I'll give you that. What it takes to achieve the sound in your head on a modeling amp isn't always the obvious choice. Most of my high gain stuff in my Helix is not traditionally suited for that sound outside of the digital world.

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Post subject: Re: Thoughts on the Mustang GT100
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:55 pm
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ajb1965 wrote:
tele-de-fender wrote:
ajb1965 wrote:
tele-de-fender wrote:
Ok, first thing, plz plz pleeeeez nobody get offended with what I'm about to say...my post here is just to share my own experience...nothing else...

So with that being said, here we go:

you know how kids today can do "magic" with their various electronic devices while older folk, perhaps generally less?

Well, I came of age during the dawn of the age of modelling...and I've been at it ever since....as such, I believe I kinda know my way around a modeller...now, why did I mention the "kids today"? Well, it's cuz I've noticed that perhaps some of the musicians who were raised on tube amps, while they know their "tone" inside out, perhaps do have a little more difficulty getting the best out of their modelling amps (just like the current vs older generation using todays technology)...

The GT100 is easily the best modelling "anything" I've ever played....and I've had a whole bunch of them...just to put things in perspective, it beats the pants out of my Mustang III v2....it's not even close...I usually play my amps regularly in a band setting though not so much with the GT, however...just coincidence...we're in a bit of a "hiatus", which is soon about to change.....so most of my observations are in a bedroom setting...but again, I did play the old Mustang under the same conditions....and it's no contest tonally....

Not to say the GT is perfect....far from it....it's not a stable platform all around...tone app is problematic, to say the least...the footswitch is not useable live....u can't back up your presets...presets sound different everytime I turn on the amp....etc. etc.....but these problems are independent of the fundamental sound of the amp, which is amazing....

Here's a little trick I use to set myself up for a band mix....not that it's clever or anything....when I'm setting up my presets at home, I try to add some, lets say "harshness"....so that they don't sound so smooth and pleasing (which they do)....cuz otherwise, when u play live, their going to get buried in the mix....easy enough...

I can go on & on...but this cheap wine is really kicking in and "i forget"......


I'm from that "tube generation" but I ditched my Peavey for a GK solid state head back in 1987 and have been SS ever since :) I do to agree with you to some extent though. I had only delved in modeling (Line 6 POD, early Vox modelers etc) a tiny bit back in the early 2000's. I could work my way around the Boss COSM stuff, but when I bought my Helix last year I was totally lost and almost returned it because I could not get a good sound out of it to save my life. Thankfully I found some great tutorials and videos to get me on the right path. Now you'd have to pry my Helix from my cold dead hands.

It is a different world for sure. Modeling requires a little understanding of EQ, speaker and mic placement/type among other things beyond just the tone knobs, sure, but these amps are designed with speakers in place and for the most part tuned to the cone in the box. It's not as much of a leap from a traditional amp to a GT as it would to a Kemper or Axe FX where you are dealing with speaker IR's etc. Of course this is all in my humble opinion. Us old guys are smart too :D


Hey, I did say I belong to "the dawn of modelling"....that makes me, well, not young....tho I do look it if I do say so myself....

Seriously though, I find that in modelling sometimes things are counter-intuitive, or not what you would expect from a tube amp....like for instance, I've seen lots of people mention preferring the 4x12 cabs in the GT....whereas I find them the least useful.....in fact, I can get close to metal sounds using the Fender amps, obviously along with the appropriate amps, drives, etc.


I'll give you that. What it takes to achieve the sound in your head on a modeling amp isn't always the obvious choice. Most of my high gain stuff in my Helix is not traditionally suited for that sound outside of the digital world.


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