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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 4:49 pm
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The Mustang life cycle seems to be:

1. Release a new product that's buggy and borderline unusable

2. Release some patches in the first year that make it at least basically functional

3. A year later they release a BIG UPDATE to fix all the bugs and shortcomings (failing to address a few)

3. Immediately after releasing the "BIG UPDATE", start working on the next addition to the series and abandon the current platform

4. Rinse and repeat, cashing in on the same customers over and over

Sound about right?


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:15 pm
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about right.They are lacking in the software dept for sure. The cybertwin support was dismal and pathetic. they promised an editor and it never came. The cybertwin se came and i have the stereo combo and its awesome still and blows the gt200 away but when they dropped the cybertwin se and then released the mustangs i was bummed as the mustang was so much cheaper feeling and sounding..and now the gt is even cheaper feeling then the mustang in umph and build. SUCKS!


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:39 pm
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If they:

1. Used better components (speakers, power supply, jacks, etc)
2. Made the cabinet more rugged
3. Had better and ongoing software development

They would sell less amplifiers over time. There is no motivation to do any of that. They are aiming for a product that needs to be replaced every few years.

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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:31 pm
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i guess....they dont want to compete with there tuba\e amps


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:37 pm
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IMO what they need to do is develop the modeling, the speaker/cab, and power amp all separately and try different versions of all 3 of those things till they find the right matches. That IMO is where they are screwing up. I think they spend too much time on the modeling and almost none on the rest. They need to learn the thing's tone intimately till they realize what the shortcomings are then eliminate them. But since the day i bought mine when they debuted till today with V2, there is a certain detail in the tone i cannot dial out and keeps it from truly and fully sounding and feeling like tubes. Thats why it can;'t compete with my artist. That thing sounds and feels like tubes with no weird sonic detail that cripples it and can't be dialed out. The GT is a far more versatile modeler than the katana artists but it fails at matching it's basic tone quality. If they ever do figure it out the GT will be a monster. Thats just my opinion, but i have sent over a year with the GT and to date i cannot dial out what it is that keeps the amp from really sounding and feeling like a tube amp to me. YMMV but that's my problem with it and i think like me many who were thrilled with V2 will soon come to the conclusion it wasn't all they thought it was at first. I DO think it's a big improvement, but for me they improved a bunch of things and left the one thing that keeps it from being great as it was from the beginning.


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:45 pm
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oczad wrote:
IMO what they need to do is develop the modeling, the speaker/cab, and power amp all separately and try different versions of all 3 of those things till they find the right matches. That IMO is where they are screwing up. I think they spend too much time on the modeling and almost none on the rest. They need to learn the thing's tone intimately till they realize what the shortcomings are then eliminate them. But since the day i bought mine when they debuted till today with V2, there is a certain detail in the tone i cannot dial out and keeps it from truly and fully sounding and feeling like tubes. Thats why it can;'t compete with my artist. That thing sounds and feels like tubes with no weird sonic detail that cripples it and can't be dialed out. The GT is a far more versatile modeler than the katana artists but it fails at matching it's basic tone quality. If they ever do figure it out the GT will be a monster. Thats just my opinion, but i have sent over a year with the GT and to date i cannot dial out what it is that keeps the amp from really sounding and feeling like a tube amp to me. YMMV but that's my problem with it and i think like me many who were thrilled with V2 will soon come to the conclusion it wasn't all they thought it was at first. I DO think it's a big improvement, but for me they improved a bunch of things and left the one thing that keeps it from being great as it was from the beginning.

hey dazco...i know u love the artist. i had it but returned it as it didnt sound as good to me as the k100 or my older model amps i use.

anyhow i agree with you on what fender should do. they just dont seem commited to modeling. Like i said i think fender doesnt want to make a model amp thet will compete with their tube amps tone wise.


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Post subject: Re: Come Back Mustang GT
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:03 am
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Bluesdom wrote:

the footswitch and the pedal expression make a very consistent and functional set.

Even if not always 100% of what I expected. For example, there are more possibilities to assign effects to footswitch buttons but not yet full freedom.


Hi Bluesdom,
what is possible to do in the assignments section with the firmware vers. 2.0? and what is still not possible to do that would be useful to play expecially in a live situation ?

thanks!
Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:12 am
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Well, I-4-1, absolutely love GT's sound & features....

And that's coming from the Mustang III V2, plus numerous other amps, modeling & otherwise, b4 that...in fact, it's the first time that the basic tone of the amp is so rich that it finally allows me to use all the effects/options available pushing them to their maximum limits without sounding shrill or muddy or introducing any unwanted sonic artifacts as such....so I can create "complex" patches in addition to the simpler basic tones u get from a tube amp, is what I'm saying .....something that I was never able to achieve with other amps before to such a degree....I literally have about 100 patches that sound great to my ears and can easily add dozens more.....even though, song list not withstanding, I use only a couple patches to noodle around at home, again cuz the basic tone is very satisfying

But that's all on the tone front....implementation-wise...this thing was a "no-go" from the get-go....parameters change by themselves....parameter values/knobs read one-thing but sound something else altogether....footpedal is not made for live use...tone app, well, what can I say that hasn't already been said.... plus a host of other problems....

Furthermore, at least b4 V2, I was able to connect to the amp with tone app....no longer so after the V2 update !!??


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:27 am
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i wonder if the gt sounds ok at bedroom levels but live with a band its not so good?


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:16 am
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conkhi wrote:
hey dazco...i know u love the artist. i had it but returned it as it didnt sound as good to me as the k100 or my older model amps i use.

anyhow i agree with you on what fender should do. they just dont seem commited to modeling. Like i said i think fender doesnt want to make a model amp thet will compete with their tube amps tone wise.


Well, with modelers i tend to take what people say about them with a grain of salt because when someone hears things that i'm not coming remotely close to hearing i immediately know the reason is likely they way they tweaked it. Modelers are capable of a gazzilion mediocre to horrible sounds, far more than good actually because good to a given ear is usually a VERY narrow window. Having spent a LOT of hours with the artist on the 6-8 months i have had it i have constantly improved upon each level I've gotten it to and i just keep getting better sounds. I would suggest you just didn't get to that point. It's not easy getting the best from any modeler with the infinite possibilities given cabs and EQ's and all the possibilities that each bring exponentially greater possibilities. In fact, to illustrate the point, after my post above i have found 2 new sounds that i am liking much more from the GT ! I can't say i dialed out that thing that i don't like, but so far it's not near as obvious. I still feel the basic tone of the artist is better but the gap is narrowing !

conkhi wrote:
i wonder if the gt sounds ok at bedroom levels but live with a band its not so good?


And this is where the artist really pulls away from the GT. I have dialed up tones that i could have sworn would hold up in the band only to be shocked at how bad it sounded when i used it in that context. The I end up tweaking endlessly trying to get it to work in te band context where the artist i just dial something up and done in minutes. Now i'm testing the patches i make at loud volumes which hopefully will lessen the huge difference from home to band and these last patches i just mentioned that have the GT sounding better than when i posted above seem to hold together loud well. In a band mix i dunno but i have much better hopes. But in a band mix often it sounds thin and beefing u the lows doesn't work because the power section cannot hold up loud with enough lows. Maybe the 2x12 would be better. I still say they should make a head so u could use a cab with good lows and not have to dial in low end with EQ which taxes the hell out of the power amp. I still say the light small cab, the speaker, and the power amp are what kill it in the band context. I have had it flab out badly at times like the power amp is straining to hold together on low loud transients. something the artist does w/o breaking a sweat.

In any case i amp liking these new patches i came up with and will improve them further i'm sure. If only the GT had the artists cab power amp and speaker it would kill. Or even the MIII's cab/spkr/pwramp.


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:22 am
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I agree the katana is more a gigging amp but the effects are seriously crippled in it to use live and change things on the fly.

The gt does have a nice little screen to edit onboard as does the cheap boss gt-1 unit. I hope the next katana will have better onboard effects control and seperate them more and not combine them on 1 knob.

I liked the k100 pricepoint better then the artist but at artist prices i would rather get a real tube amp(even used) .


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:16 am
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Hi Dimitri,

I think that everything is possible to play live.

Only one limitation. You can assign some schema of effects to the footswitch button. For example, you can say Stompbox-Delay-Reverb. This is fine, I can use that config for 95% of my needs. But, if I want to have Stompbox (Overdrive) on 1st button, Sustain on the 2d one and Reverb on the 3rd, it is not possible.
It seems to me that we will have the hability to specify the effect for each button in each preset.

Br,


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:12 pm
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Umm....ok...how do I say this?

well, u know....I didn't really wanna go there...but in the interest of full disclosure, i feel obliged to be up front about everything.....I believe we're all in this together....trying to improve the GT and whatnot...so whatever I said a little bit earlier in terms of the GT and its great sound applies much more so to my tele (than to my strat)....but then that's on the tele...being such a great great "platform"

there, I said it...


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:17 pm
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Bluesdom wrote:
Hi Dimitri,

I think that everything is possible to play live.

Only one limitation. You can assign some schema of effects to the footswitch button. For example, you can say Stompbox-Delay-Reverb. This is fine, I can use that config for 95% of my needs. But, if I want to have Stompbox (Overdrive) on 1st button, Sustain on the 2d one and Reverb on the 3rd, it is not possible.
It seems to me that we will have the hability to specify the effect for each button in each preset.

Br,


Sorry, but i can't understand their logic ... so you are saying that i can switch on / off simultaneously up to 3 effects by the same assigned button (for example the first button) ? however , it is not still possible to decide the order of a single effect ... well, they can do better. And what about if you have to manage on/off a second stompbox , a second delay or modulation? do you have to create another schema in the second or third button?


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:02 pm
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tele-de-fender wrote:
....so I can create "complex" patches in addition to the simpler basic tones u get from a tube amp
I would love to hear a recording one of those "complex" patches that could never exist on a tube amp. I'm guessing you mean a tube amp without the aid of any additional effects?


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