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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 9:19 am
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Fender Mustang v1: 2010
Fender Mustang v2: 2013
Fender Mustang GT: 2017

Yeah I guess you might see another year or possibly 2 of updates. Unless that timeline starts to shrink.


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:58 pm
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Sorry guys,

I've been of biz/gig travel and picking up kids from college. I can tell you with all honesty that there are some (firmware/hardware and software) fixes and additions coming your way soon. I am actively beta testing more than one platform but not allowed to say much more.

I am a real/non-Fender person. I gig in the Phoenix area regularly with and Irish pub band and a 80's pop band (corporate gigs only these days).

I owe Dimitri a reply back as soon as I find his post.

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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 9:55 am
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albd1962 wrote:
I owe Dimitri a reply back as soon as I find his post.

Dimitri (frondizi) has not posted in almost a year as far as I can tell:

https://forums.fender.com/search.php?au ... 0&sr=posts


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 10:42 am
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The Tone app is fixed.


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 9:49 pm
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The Mustang GTs will have some updates coming soon.


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 6:48 am
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albd1962 wrote:
The Mustang GTs will have some updates coming soon.

the most glaring omission is the ability to make any kind of backup. Surely that had top priority and will be released soon, right?


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 7:53 am
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As i have said, i got a katana artist a couple months ago and the tone is just so good it eats the GT for lunch. However, the GT has far better effects functionality (not as good sounding tho) and switching options. So if the updates as Albie mad it sound are huge, and specifically as tone QUALITY goes, I could see myself going back. It's very very unlikely because i cannot imagine they could do anything in firmware to improve them tonally as much as they'd need to to made me give up the katana. It just sound too much better. But the updates he speaks of has me curious and i haven't gotten around to selling my GT yet. So i think i will hand onto it and see what this update does. I just cannot imagine theres any way they could improve the tone they firmware as much as they would have to to make me jump the katana artist ship, but i may as well wait out of curiosity. Plus IF the almost impossible happens and it DOES sound a lot better from the responses i see about it, my curiosity would have me kicking myself for selling it just for the need to hear for myself. Te GT;s effects dont sound as good but the kats are all but useless due to horrible functionally that make it impossible to use live. So i really miss the GT in that respect, but i use very little effects so it's not a deal breaker.

Anyways, i was about to put the GT in craigslist when i read this so I;ll hold off just out of curiosity. But if i had to bet my life i'd say that even if they add a lot of new models, the BASE TONE QUALITY will remain the same or close and will never sound and feel as good as the artist. But we shall see.


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 12:50 am
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Does anyone have any idea how long It will be before this upgrade will happen?


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:13 am
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Nobody knows and nobody is allowed to know except a select few people who aren't allowed to tell you. :roll:


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2018 11:39 am
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I think it is time to be glad that there is hope and time to patiently wait for more good news...


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:16 am
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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 7:48 pm
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ghost_of_strings wrote:
albd1962 wrote:
I owe Dimitri a reply back as soon as I find his post.

Dimitri (frondizi) has not posted in almost a year as far as I can tell:

https://forums.fender.com/search.php?au ... 0&sr=posts


Hi, you are right.

About one year ago I posted something to ask for some informations about the new released Mustang GT 100.
Oczad at that time, if I remember correctly, answered me and he seemed be satisfied with the quality of at least some tones compared to the M3 V2 (that is what I still have at today). He wasn't satisfied with the functionalities of the 4 buttons pedal, the actual limitation about the assignment of just the first 3 effects in the chain that all of us at today know.
Probably there was some other reasons of disappointment that now I don't remember. I have to read again that post.

From time to time I had continued to follow some of your discussions and i saw that there was further reasons of satisfaction from a side ( the important update with new models and effects like some equalizers) but in the other hand reasons of disappointment for example a problem of unreliability that was causing unexpected and momentary muting of the amp. In live situation is a big problem.

Well, as said recently to Albie by private message and then some emails , I moved from Boss / Roland , VG88 to Mustang 3 v1 and then V2 and particularly in this latter I was able to appreciate a substantial improvement in both quality of the amp models and also effects : too much digital background noise to make dirty and few "transparent" the processed signal in Roland technologies... it was really unsatisfying, I kept just the Roland GR55 (guitar synth / multieffects / Instruments modeler...)
as the only exception.

About a month ago i started again to gather informations on the web because I thought to sell my Mustang 3 V2 and then buy a new GT100 but then I read some of yours negative feedback on the posts and saw also a youtube comparison , Boss Katana Vs. GT100.
Well, i could be wrong but it doesn't seem to me that Roland / Boss technologies has improved so much since i sold the VG88 V2. In the other hand I noticed in some GT100 videos that claimed phasing issue in some clean tones that i can't hear in my M3 Version 2...

what I asked to Albie D. was clarifications about those most reported problems / limitations , about the max number of effects you can add in the chain compared to precedent version, about the effectiveness of the spillover vs. the limitating delay issue in some preset switching i am experiencing in the V2...
and about the next expected firmware update that all are waiting and we hope it will go to fix most (if not all) of the problems claimed so far.

I don't think to rely again on Roland / Boss things, so Katana amp or other, I don't like that kind of modeling ,
instead I think to wait for the next update(s) promised and see what improvements it will bring to the owners and then decide if move to the new GT 100 or keep my amp.

I am sorry but at this point I have become a little like St. Thomas : I believe just in what I see (or touch with hand). I simply can't afford to do a wrong purchase even though I believe that there will be a next important update to bring back Mustang amps to a respectable role.
I am wondering for what reason Boss should be better than Fender?

Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2018 9:35 pm
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frondizi wrote:
I am wondering for what reason Boss should be better than Fender?

Dimitri


IMO, at least with the katana artist which i have, it just IS better then the GT or the old MIII. To me the fenders have tone that is very good in many ways but also have tonal issues. The artist on the other hand is 100% tube like in tone and feel and with no irritating tonal flaws at all. Just very good completely tube like tone that works great at bedroom volumes or in a band mix. It;s just a better sounding amp, and the main reason IMO is not so much the modeling, it;s the cabinet and speaker and output section of the artist which boss put a LOT more more thought and work into than fender. IMO fender designed some very good modeling but paired it with sub par power amp, cabinet and speaker. Thats my opinion anyways, take it for what its worth. The other katana models i cannot speak for but when i demo'd them i didn't think they sounded as good as the artist. The artist was revoiced, has a bigger cabinet, and a glorious speaker that has beaten out my 2 all time fav speakers when i compared them.


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:03 am
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I went full circle and ordered a Custom 68 Deluxe Reverb . Nothing against digital but at this point in my life I just want to plug in and play and not worry about issues that may or may not be fixed so up on the chopping block the GT goes. Good luck everyone


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Post subject: Re: Bye Bye Mustang GT
Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:15 am
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Orcad wrote :
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(...) It;s just a better sounding amp, and the main reason IMO is not so much the modeling, it;s the cabinet and speaker and output section of the artist which boss put a LOT more more thought and work into than fender. IMO fender designed some very good modeling but paired it with sub par power amp, cabinet and speaker.
The artist was revoiced, has a bigger cabinet, and a glorious speaker that has beaten out my 2 all time fav speakers when i compared them.



Ah, i see...
So this means that there was a Katana version 1, not so good and then Roland rebuilded it from scratch improving critical things.
Fender aimed more to base its new series on a more flat full range response system (there is a Celestion speaker in any case) to be able to reproduce better than the past also backing tracks or songs.
If the problem lies in the poor hardware used (power amp, speaker and perhaps cabinet) then probably just software upgrades will not able to improve substantially the overall quality of the tones but in the case Fender had thought another way/method (you can't copy and exploit the patented technologies of another brand) to reach an analog target , would be enough do some compensations mainly in the internal equalization (not that an user can do by means of effects) before the power amp and the speaker : it has to sound let's say "Lo-Fi" receiving guitar ( processed or not) signal but it has to sound also Hi-fi as much as possible, when it receives external sources (mp3, wav, or other audio files)...
of course, it is a simplification, the question is more complex than this.
After all Doctor Bose teached us that is possible get very good Hi FI and pleasant tones even from an affordable hardware for example in my old Acoustimass 5 system the speakers on the 4 satellites cubes was visibly cheap quality speakers... of course are not the speakers mounted on my B&W home theater loudspeaker used in the hifi equipment, but the overall result is very satisfying the same.
The same and better than ever about the Bose 901... perhaps not so hifi or "exoteric" but for some reason they are a reference the same.


I would like that Albie take part to these discussions with us, when he has the time, giving us his personal point of view about all these matters possibly also about other brands technologies,
because for the rest he can't give us so much informations or spoilers about the next expected software updates/upgrades.

thanks
Dimitri


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