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Post subject: Why sound difference with headphones vs Out loud
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:08 pm
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This question is a topic getting discussed in another thread I posted but I decided to make a thread specifically addressing this topic. Why is it that when I play my amp through my pretty high quality headphones the amp sounds like the best amp ive ever heard but out loud Is different story? the louder the GT gets the more it loses its quality. I think we all can agree by now the software is much better in the GT then the Mustang III, then why are so many still preferring the III still? is the speaker being bypassed why my headphones sound so much better? I would think headphones have similar speakers to the speaker in the GT with being geared more toward streaming quality and such, but I don't know much about pre-amps and how they relate to headphones or how any of that works. BBBBUUUTTT if this is a indication what the amp can sound like with a good guitar speaker then its well worth it for me anyway to put more money into this amp and swap speakers

Also when you plug into a PA directly through the XLR outputs or QTR inch on the back of GT are you in essence doing the same thing as plugging headphones in? in theory would the GTs stock speaker be bypassed plugged into the PA system directly? if not is there a way to do this? would it help the sound at all?

Thank you in advance this forum is always full of great musicians sharing quality info I have soaked up a lot of info through the various threads, I love seeing other GT owners still trying to make everyone else see this amp is a monster with massive potential for the price, just my thoughts anyway and I love my tubed amps as much as anyone but I am not such a purist to ignore fender is onto something here. Im sure other companies have good ones but I wanted the fender cleans so this one was my choice, I could of gotten the hot rod or something but I just thought digital amps are really making a movement these days and aren't as easy to overlook anymore, thanks guys keep up the GT chatter

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Post subject: Re: Why sound difference with headphones vs Out loud
Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:00 am
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Wy better with you high quality headphone ?

This is my opinion ;

1- At $250 Mustang GT is a low budget amp and good speaker are expensive to built not solid state. Fender may cut in speaker quality .

2- Room acoustic ; What about bad or no so good acoustic in your room ? Not this issue with headphone.

3- All frequency go direct in your ears with headphone, not when you use the Mustang amp 's speaker ( or with any combo ) sent sound to your legs not at you ears :lol:

4- Size and wood of the Mustang may change tone. Many amp ( if not most ) don't use the best wood. It affect tone.

5- I don't look at schematic but headphone plug / jack are probably wired before amp's output solid state chips. Less solid state chips is better.

I hope this help.


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Post subject: Re: Why sound difference with headphones vs Out loud
Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 2:44 pm
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There are many amps that change their gain characteristics for the headphones. Even some SS analog amps have compensation circuits.
Guitars are very dynamic and they reduce the gain so you don't blow out your eardrums.


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Post subject: Re: Why sound difference with headphones vs Out loud
Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:30 pm
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Cbryand88 wrote:
I think we all can agree by now the software is much better in the GT then the Mustang III, then why are so many still preferring the III still?

Some of the improvements get lost in listening environments, some get
lost in a crowded mix, and users that have had older Mustangs for years,
rather than months, are creating with familiarity rather than re-learning,
and can create and edit sounds using the Fuse editor, or the amp LED.
So knowledge, experience, and versatilty are advantages for those
with the older amps. Those with the GTs have the chance
to maximize it's capabilities as is, even if playing catch-up in some cases.
Hopefully Fender will greatly extend all their modelling amps
value by re-supporting the Fuse app, and also release
a new or updated computer-based control software,
while making continual improvements to the Tone app.

It costs money, and requires the desire to crush the competition.
The question is, do Fender have either?
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Post subject: Re: Why sound difference with headphones vs Out loud
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 7:41 am
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Cbryand88 wrote:
This question is a topic getting discussed in another thread ...


I am not sure, to get this right...

You wonder why a maybe high priced headphone sound different to a guitar-speaker?

Let me get this right: what I love in sound of a guitar-amp, has nothing to do with high fidelity or fine frequency response. You will not find any 12" going higher than 6 or 7kHz.

If you connect you iPod to a whoolworth-20$-speaker, music will sound way better, than through any guitar amp. If you do a session with a rock-band, whoolworth will fall into pieces.

Since VOX AC30, amplifiers and speakers of hifi or road go differing ways.

If the sound gets worse by increasing loudness only through headphones, it will go the whoolworth-way, or you simply ingnore the fact, ears work at best by 64dBA.


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Post subject: Re: Why sound difference with headphones vs Out loud
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:01 pm
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Its just odd that through my headphones these amps have the attack and everything else you may want in an amp. I also wondered if the headphone out bypass the speaker I am guessing yes to the headphones, I am not sure on how it works nuts an bolts aspect but I also wonder if I plug into a PA through the XLR inputs in the back does it bypass the speaker as well an use the PA's speakers or is it still using the stock speaker?

You guys make great points, to the room size and acoustics and what not, I am referring just to the over all sound in general. If the headphones out sounding so good could be an indication what a better actual " guitar speaker" might sound like in the amp as I said the extra money thrown into the amp wont seem to rough. After reading some of the posts on WGS website about the ET-90 it seems like Mustang III users and GT user say nothing but amazing things about the speaker being able to really open up the amp to another level. I even read a lot of blues jr and even DRRI users swapping to this speaker and saying it was an amazing speaker. I was always one of those players who looked at their pickups, tubes, or something like that before I would think speaker swap. So maybe my headphones are trying to tell me getting the better speaker would change this amp big time. I also figure even if the amp isn't up to my standards I would keep the speaker an put it into whatever I got next as I think the WGS seem like a really safe bet to help a lot of amps when you are chasing the vintage fender clean tones while still wanting to maintain punch and warmth.

Kinda made me wonder also " depending if the XLR outputs bypass the speaker" should I plug into PA through the headphone outs or the XLR or 1/4" out. Anyone tried the headphone out through PA?


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Post subject: Re: Why sound difference with headphones vs Out loud
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:56 pm
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It's amusing to hear you like the hp sound. The lower gain increases sustain and makes more room for harmonics.
That type of gain structure is similar to old Fenders.
If you want to get that effect with a speaker mod, use an inefficient speaker.
I don't think the pa out would help
If you use the headphone out, you need to use a matching transformer or a voltage divider with two resistors to lower the signal level to an appropriate level.
On many digital amps, the d/a converter has a stereo output. This would probably not be available at the speaker. Stereo also greatly enhances the headphone listening experience.


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Post subject: Re: Why sound difference with headphones vs Out loud
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:34 am
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Cbryand88 wrote:
Its just odd that through my headphones these amps have the attack and everything else you may want in an amp.


Try to point the main-axis of your speaker more in direction to your ears.


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Post subject: Re: Why sound difference with headphones vs Out loud
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:37 am
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TimsAudio wrote:
I don't think the pa out would help...


I'm sure it will. PA has tweeters, which are much higher in frequency and don't coil that much.


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Post subject: Re: Why sound difference with headphones vs Out loud
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:20 pm
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I apologize if I sound illiterate with this stuff cuz in a sense with digital I am...
so I by passing the speaker when I use the headphone out.. the xlr to Pa will still use the gt speaker as the main signal correct? Even plugged into the Pa? My orange has a cab sim where being run from the headphone out to pa sounds like it’s playing through 4x12 cab so I got wondering what the fenders does? Cuz I mean even then attack an overall feel to my ears cannot be undested I realize I hear more of the amp nuances with headphones and the stereo signal makes a lot of sense but man this amp Just sounds so tubinsh with headphones If I could replicate what I’m hearing through headhohones or atleast dramtially get closer by speaker swap or playing through the the headphone out to Pa I would have to use like a aux to qtr inch or xlr..
If it would make the amp
Sound More like full stereo rig then why not do it that way.. I’m take into conderaion headphones are on my head An not at band level so I think about that, bbbuttt the differences
I hear are more then just volume Ab where my head is placed...

So the xlr outs an qtr Inch in back of amp dont bypass speaker if hooked up to Pa only headphones do that? Cuz I would imagined amp plugged direcltly
into PA by passing the gt speaker it may sound solid may run the orange the same way I ABY why them cuz I don’t much like the gts distortion An I always wnated an orange an they actualy work really well togeher when playing both through clean I keep my orange dry An gt for fx then orange is 35rt I’m reaching a point I might trade the gt or sell its for a bugera v22 An restart the pedalboard I know I’ll prob for live Use wants tubed Amps and with my band starting out in bars an jsut establishing ourseleved I wanted to try to make the best rig I could
ON a budget.. the GT has been amazing and I wish I could
Afford to keep it to practice with record and rehearsal amp cuz the bugera wont last as long as a GT I dont wanna see it go I love it just live tube amps An the bugera sound great for the price And I don known enough about modding thse digital amps
I would love to just get a bigger orange to Not have to Rely on fender for much but added umph an fx but i jsut think for live right now a tube bugera sounded great when I played it my buddy’s in the band know how to work on amos so if I run into nun trouble shoulda Be good to go I’ll be sad if I end up selling the GT I jsut think having to find the right speaker or speakrs isn’t worth the fx perk I get which is the main reason I keep it fot practicint writing creating been fx an band prac Ann even recording cuz you are at low volumes this amp is killer live gigging.. idk sondn is debatable but the functionality kills i think I’ll be happier with bugera an orange Ab reason I buy cheaper amps now is cuz I think it’s dumb to invest in the bank breaker till you know you have a future in music there’s at every plenty of affordable amps good enoughh to get you buy 1-3 years that’s the great thing of bugera is the new reviews aren’t great it seems better then the blued jr but I play with a bandmate who used a blues jr An for rhythm chords the GT kills it the blues Jr can Be shrill I
Hope I can keep the GT an buy Bugera the GT would come In handy if bugera acts up and its a great work amp to save hours on my tubes
I jsut dont think I can do the Gt anymore I don’t want TO dumb money into finding the right speaker.. but maybe I’ll spend more time with the GT orange combo Ann see if I can get that headphone out to sounds decent at next rehershal Im Guns try it out


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Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 9:23 pm
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Cbryand88 wrote:
I apologize if I sound illiterate with this stuff cuz in a sense with digital I am...
so I by passing the speaker when I use the headphone out.. the xlr to Pa will still use the gt speaker as the main signal correct? Even plugged into the Pa? My orange has a cab sim where being run from the headphone out to pa sounds like it’s playing through 4x12 cab so I got wondering what the fenders does? Cuz I mean even then attack an overall feel to my ears cannot be undested I realize I hear more of the amp nuances with headphones and the stereo signal makes a lot of sense but man this amp Just sounds so tubinsh with headphones If I could replicate what I’m hearing through headhohones or atleast dramtially get closer by speaker swap or playing through the the headphone out to Pa I would have to use like a aux to qtr inch or xlr..
If it would make the amp
Sound More like full stereo rig then why not do it that way.. I’m take into conderaion headphones are on my head An not at band level so I think about that, bbbuttt the differences
I hear are more then just volume Ab where my head is placed...

So the xlr outs an qtr Inch in back of amp dont bypass speaker if hooked up to Pa only headphones do that? Cuz I would imagined amp plugged direcltly
into PA by passing the gt speaker it may sound solid may run the orange the same way I ABY why them cuz I don’t much like the gts distortion An I always wnated an orange an they actualy work really well togeher when playing both through clean I keep my orange dry An gt for fx then orange is 35rt I’m reaching a point I might trade the gt or sell its for a bugera v22 An restart the pedalboard I know I’ll prob for live Use wants tubed Amps and with my band starting out in bars an jsut establishing ourseleved I wanted to try to make the best rig I could
ON a budget.. the GT has been amazing and I wish I could
Afford to keep it to practice with record and rehearsal amp cuz the bugera wont last as long as a GT I dont wanna see it go I love it just live tube amps An the bugera sound great for the price And I don known enough about modding thse digital amps
I would love to just get a bigger orange to Not have to Rely on fender for much but added umph an fx but i jsut think for live right now a tube bugera sounded great when I played it my buddy’s in the band know how to work on amos so if I run into nun trouble shoulda Be good to go I’ll be sad if I end up selling the GT I jsut think having to find the right speaker or speakrs isn’t worth the fx perk I get which is the main reason I keep it fot practicint writing creating been fx an band prac Ann even recording cuz you are at low volumes this amp is killer live gigging.. idk sondn is debatable but the functionality kills i think I’ll be happier with bugera an orange Ab reason I buy cheaper amps now is cuz I think it’s dumb to invest in the bank breaker till you know you have a future in music there’s at every plenty of affordable amps good enoughh to get you buy 1-3 years that’s the great thing of bugera is the new reviews aren’t great it seems better then the blued jr but I play with a bandmate who used a blues jr An for rhythm chords the GT kills it the blues Jr can Be shrill I
Hope I can keep the GT an buy Bugera the GT would come In handy if bugera acts up and its a great work amp to save hours on my tubes
I jsut dont think I can do the Gt anymore I don’t want TO dumb money into finding the right speaker.. but maybe I’ll spend more time with the GT orange combo Ann see if I can get that headphone out to sounds decent at next rehershal Im Guns try it out

Thank you for the recommendation !

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