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Post subject: Any firmware update news, Gt a contender for live use?
Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 3:29 pm
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I think the last update was huge for the GT being used as a live gigging amp, i haven't seen to many serious gigging musicians post about the GT and using it live, but I think with the help of the EQs and the way I use it "just for cleans and light distortion along for all the fx". It saves me money on buying pedals an having to wire them all up and power them, no tubes needing fixed, I am not saying it sounds better then tube amps but I do think it sounds close enough. Ive never owned a fender tube amp so maybe more people can speak to the GT being able to deliver the same quality tone as the Hot Rod deluxe and blues jrs or atleast being close to as good. I don't think the overall tone is better then those amps but I do think that it is so close that maybe its worth keeping the amp and rolling with the updates.

I am still stuck on whether or not to change the speaker it seems more people who do the extension cab with two speakers have better results then those who just swapped one speaker for another 12" hopefully more people will give this amp another try it deserves and give more info on how much the speaker swap really helps. If it doubles the tone quality then i would def be willing to throw money into the GT but if its just a minimal increase then maybe the EQs and the stock speaker can be tweeked enough to sound good enough to gig with. I use the EQs on each patch I use. I think if you don't crank the amp volume all the way up, and if you are plugged straight into PA ive heard the sound of the GT is great. I will say im nervous for the Gtv2 to come out in year or whatever then this one get abandoned that's honestly the biggest factor in me thinking of getting an hot rod or blues jr nos. I know i will have the same tone regardless. Can anyone with extensive knowledge of the GT an fender tube amps speak to how close these amps are in sound quality for live gigging? is the sacrifice in a little tone worth all the fX an other perks of GT including cost.

I wish we knew fenders plans with the GT and the future, i have been banging my head off the wall trying to choose the GT or a fender tube amp around the 500-700 range, hopefully some of the updates still to come are as good as the last one.. I think i am going to try to start gigging with it. We will see im sure ill get little smerks and comments about it but i am a believer in the amp, and we know EVENTUALLY digital is going to get the tone perfect and other then your purists, the gigging musicians will most likely go digital for all the perks we can name off. Its just a matter of time, and is the GT a good enough amp to Gig on seriously for 1-3 years and be as good or close to as good as the other tube amps around the same price......?


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Post subject: Re: Any firmware update news, Gt a contender for live use?
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:11 am
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There are a lot of purists, who expect themselves to hear the cough of a flee while overdriven solos fly through the air.

I doubt, they can tell a grandpiano from a digital one, one cassette demos noone could tell a DX7 from a CP70.

And maybe you gig for 500 People and one with them, who hears the difference. Holy $@!&!

For the other 499 it sounds the same, if you carry those simulated 20 amps physically on stage or not.

You see: If the GT would work properly, you can save a lot of trouble.

At the moment, I can only use the 100W, driven by a AX3000G.


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Post subject: Re: Any firmware update news, Gt a contender for live use?
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:48 am
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Hate to say this but if you're in a band then your equipment doesn't matter that much. If we're talking gigging with a live band then what is the very best way to tell how good your selected equipment, guitar playing, your guitar tone, and your Band is? It all comes down to one rock-solid timeless unchanging indicator of a successful band that will get gigs.

A Crowded Dance-floor!

It's simply the amount of people dancing during your sets. All the Tone Quest stuff is great fun and I have always enjoyed the results of testing, swapping, changing, modifying, and building equipment but without continuous crowds of dancing people, the Band won't be in demand for gigs and whatever great guitar amp setup and tone I think I have... stays home.
Don't sweat the equipment, put time into set song selection and things the audience will notice like an engaging Front person who interacts, minimize time between tunes, have good song arrangements and keep the show moving. They'll remember they had a good time, so will you, and most people won't even notice you're in the band unless you sing lead on a bunch of tunes. Then you'll be concerned with slimming down and minimizing the amount of equipment that you need to bring to do the job since "your equipment doesn't matter that much".


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Post subject: Re: Any firmware update news, Gt a contender for live use?
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:17 pm
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A lot of sense posted above, I would say. If you like the sound of the GT get out there and play it! If you get smirks from anyone with a tube amp smirk back at them for not having anywhere near the same number of sounds or effects as you!
I'm sure I saw a picture of Prince playing a Squier strat on stage once and I bet he wasn't fussed about what people saw on the headstock. In fact they were probably more amazed that he was getting his sounds out of a cheap guitar! :D
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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:47 pm
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Thank you all for the helpful suggestions as a beginning original/cover band that is going to be playing some pretty solid gigs I stress about my sound. Its funny when I was younger I wasn't nearly as concerned with tone and sound quality like I am now, its weird, but I think you guys make a lot of good points, with just being a starting out band I just am trying to stretch every penny I can, and make the best rig for the budget, that being said I have had my fair share of amps "never a fender tubed" when I first bought the GT I honestly was expecting to be more of a single person dj thing similar to GRiZ and other Djs bringing funk and rock into the electronic scene so the GT seemed perfect cause I also wanted to record. The headphones were a huge plus, and the direct input to the PA. I will say the functionality has been deserving of the bad reviews its gotten, but the sound quality I think has always been really good and the FX "more the modulation pedals then distortion although the digital distortion is getting better" were outstanding. Now that I am in an band again and the other guitarist plays a blues jr and we have a solid chance to play a lot live, I am buggn about riding with the GT for the next 1-3 years or moving on to tubed fender. As you guys mentioned the amp sounds good enough to get any crowd moving so in retrospect it really isn't as big a deal, that being said I am a tone freak and gear nerd, often those two things conflict the gear nerd in me loved all the toys on the GT and different settings its so fun an creatively speaking it opens more doors the one trick amps. But the tube amps do sound better as far as overall tone. But the question is how much better. As I mentioned I use the amp more for cleans and light distortion I have another amp for my gain so the GT is used only for what its always done well at. Replicating those classic fender cleans and the FX. I love not having to have a huge pedal board. Its not the pedals, its the wiring and chaining I do not like. I want every effect possible to play with even if I never use it, like the bass patch on the GT, its something live no ill never use but for at home creating originals and being able to loop your own bassline is awesome. But I hate the fact that each pedal you get and every chord you add to your chain along with power supplies needing to be perfect it takes away from your tone or signal to the amp, its much much much better this way. Although I hate the pedal for the GT its so limiting I love having onboard pedals so much less can go wrong and the FX I personally think are right there with analog pedals. Distortion I think is where its lacking an may sound a little digital but modeling amp like the GT are the future that's for sure.

I also worry about the GT not having a way to backup presets and updates. Idk how firmware work if a software can lose the updates its made over time if the tone app were to stop being updated but that's a worry for me if true. I would feel much better if like the old mustangs things could be backed up and saved, for peace of mind knowing your amp is never going to revert back to the old things that made it unusable. As I said I am not smart enough in that category to know how that works but I know how companies work Gtv2 I bet is already in the works, my bet is it will be just a floor model after all this flac about the speaker but it makes me nervous if I want to keep gigging on the GT what will become of it? will it revert back to the basic settings and lose all the updates over the years? That's one thing that worries me about the future of the amp and keeping it or not. It seems like updates have chilled out and even the chatter on them has amongst the owners so it makes me wonder if they are already working on GTv2 and this one has gotten all its going to get. Still, I love the amp and would be fine with how it is now I just worry about the firmware updates if the amp keeps those no matter what an saves it internally or if they move on from amp an tone app will the GT revert and be back at square one.

Thinking about pulling the trigger on a swamp thang or WGS ET90, those two have seemed to get great reviews with really any amp they've been put into. It wish I had place that could let me try diff speakers instead of ordering blindly and hoping for the best. Although I think I am leaning toward the ET90 due to a lot of good reviews on it, and I only want the GT for fx and cleans as mentioned so I don't need a speaker that is built for high gain just anything that can get me closer to the vintage fender cleans and make the sound a little more punchier then it currently is.


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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:52 pm
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Go watch the best of your competition, so you know to aim higher,
and work harder. Few people are gonna try and push you to success,
but many will try and drag you down. Be careful of the group that surrounds you.
If it isn't getting better, it's time to move on.

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you want 'em tired and sweaty, so the knock-out punch
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Post subject: Re: Any firmware update news, Gt a contender for live use?
Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:28 pm
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First of all, saying tube amps sound better is just plain ridiculous. Having owned god knows how many since the early 70's and been a total tube snob till i got my first mustang, I can say w/o the slightest reservation there are tones of mediocre tube amps out there and the GT should not be compared to "tube amps". It can be compared to A PARTICULAR tube amp, but comparing it to tube amps overall is senseless.

Now this is just my opinion but in GENERAL terms I DO feel there are a couple things i can think of that each side does better. Tube amps generally, not all but most, have a more natural and extended top end. NOT all, but many. The GT has it's advantages too. Of the uncountable tube amps i have owned i cannot remember any of them having the same punch the GT has in a band mix at stage volume with overdrive. Maybe it has to do with the type of sound i create with it via my tonal and particular model preferences, but theres a punch i feel behind the notes that sends them out of the speaker like friggin bullets. I quite enjoy that because tube amps i always had trouble getting that kind of punch with a master volume amp. This is true even with the stock speaker, and you know how i feel about that thing.

Lastly, you might think twice about the ET90. I know there are some good reviews, but very few bt GT owners and while i liked it at first, in time and once used with a band i came to feel it's rather dull sounding. If i can come to realize that after some time and band use then those other reviewers that use one in thier GT may well feel differently in time too. One other then myself already said as much. I think its too dark in the top end and sounds dull compared to other speaker. This is just one man's opinion but i really do think it is a bit dull sounding and would be to most in time. After all, i loved it at first too. Your call but just a warming. As to the swamp thing, tried one in my MIII and utterly hated it. I;d go with the ET90 before that ! But again, 1 man;s opinion for what it;s worth.

And finally, stop asking yourself and everyone else if the amp is gig worthy !!!! It IS and big time. It's just a matter of figuring out what YOU need to do to get it where you are happy with it. It's not as easy as a 5 knob tube amp after all ! Now in regards to metal, that i wont address how it is as a very specific sounding rig and if you are going to be doing mostly or all metal, then you can probably disregard this entire post. I play pop music.....rock, blues, country rock,commercial pop tunes, etc etc. What the typical cover band played in my day at least.

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Thank you all for the helpful suggestions as a beginning original/cover band that is going to be playing some pretty solid gigs I stress about my sound. Its funny when I was younger I wasn't nearly as concerned with tone and sound quality like I am now, its weird, but I think you guys make a lot of good points, with just being a starting out band I just am trying to stretch every penny I can, and make the best rig for the budget, that being said I have had my fair share of amps "never a fender tubed" when I first bought the GT I honestly was expecting to be more of a single person dj thing similar to GRiZ and other Djs bringing funk and rock into the electronic scene so the GT seemed perfect cause I also wanted to record. The headphones were a huge plus, and the direct input to the PA. I will say the functionality has been deserving of the bad reviews its gotten, but the sound quality I think has always been really good and the FX "more the modulation pedals then distortion although the digital distortion is getting better" were outstanding. Now that I am in an band again and the other guitarist plays a blues jr and we have a solid chance to play a lot live, I am buggn about riding with the GT for the next 1-3 years or moving on to tubed fender. As you guys mentioned the amp sounds good enough to get any crowd moving so in retrospect it really isn't as big a deal, that being said I am a tone freak and gear nerd, often those two things conflict the gear nerd in me loved all the toys on the GT and different settings its so fun an creatively speaking it opens more doors the one trick amps. But the tube amps do sound better as far as overall tone. But the question is how much better. As I mentioned I use the amp more for cleans and light distortion I have another amp for my gain so the GT is used only for what its always done well at. Replicating those classic fender cleans and the FX. I love not having to have a huge pedal board. Its not the pedals, its the wiring and chaining I do not like. I want every effect possible to play with even if I never use it, like the bass patch on the GT, its something live no ill never use but for at home creating originals and being able to loop your own bassline is awesome. But I hate the fact that each pedal you get and every chord you add to your chain along with power supplies needing to be perfect it takes away from your tone or signal to the amp, its much much much better this way. Although I hate the pedal for the GT its so limiting I love having onboard pedals so much less can go wrong and the FX I personally think are right there with analog pedals. Distortion I think is where its lacking an may sound a little digital but modeling amp like the GT are the future that's for sure.

I also worry about the GT not having a way to backup presets and updates. Idk how firmware work if a software can lose the updates its made over time if the tone app were to stop being updated but that's a worry for me if true. I would feel much better if like the old mustangs things could be backed up and saved, for peace of mind knowing your amp is never going to revert back to the old things that made it unusable. As I said I am not smart enough in that category to know how that works but I know how companies work Gtv2 I bet is already in the works, my bet is it will be just a floor model after all this flac about the speaker but it makes me nervous if I want to keep gigging on the GT what will become of it? will it revert back to the basic settings and lose all the updates over the years? That's one thing that worries me about the future of the amp and keeping it or not. It seems like updates have chilled out and even the chatter on them has amongst the owners so it makes me wonder if they are already working on GTv2 and this one has gotten all its going to get. Still, I love the amp and would be fine with how it is now I just worry about the firmware updates if the amp keeps those no matter what an saves it internally or if they move on from amp an tone app will the GT revert and be back at square one.

Thinking about pulling the trigger on a swamp thang or WGS ET90, those two have seemed to get great reviews with really any amp they've been put into. It wish I had place that could let me try diff speakers instead of ordering blindly and hoping for the best. Although I think I am leaning toward the ET90 due to a lot of good reviews on it, and I only want the GT for fx and cleans as mentioned so I don't need a speaker that is built for high gain just anything that can get me closer to the vintage fender cleans and make the sound a little more punchier then it currently is.


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Post subject: Re: Any firmware update news, Gt a contender for live use?
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:20 pm
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Well thank you for you input, if the ET-90 sounds dull in a band context then that's something I def have no interest in, and the swamp thang just seemed idk I don't think I would like it. I use a lot of my Y channel for the cleans, use the FX heavy from the GT and dry cleans from my orange crush 35rt. So I guess if I am going to get a speaker I should think of one that will work well with the oranges voice of the world speakers or whatever they call them. I didn't really see anyother brands that jumped out that really seemed like the answer. Mayeb a celestion to the speaker used the in Mustang III. I know you are a fan of EV12 but you are also using an extension cab if am not mistaken with to 8 ohm speakers. I am trying to track down one 12" 4 ohm that can give the GT more life maybe the stock speaker is the best best an ran through the headphone out or xlr to pa. I am not sure if either of those options by passes the speaker I know the headphone out does. But if the WGS does darken up the sound worse then it is now then maybe that isn't the right choice the et-65 seemed a little less punchy. Or are you saying with your experience with WGS they all darken the tone? I am running out if ideas on the speaker swap as ive mentioned I live nowhere near a spot I could try swaps in a day so unless I order and return if its not the one I want, I don't have other options on hearing just how much a new speaker can matter.

I will say on another forum fender4life I am not sure if this is you oczad, but they praised the ET-90 and really said it was incomparable to the stock. But as you mentioned, the speaker darkened over time.


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The speaker didn't darken over time, i just came to realize in time it was dull in the top end especially in a band context.


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Quote: "" A Crowded Dance-floor! "" per MYREL - entirely agree.
As a dancer & guitarist, nothing crazier than changing the genre with a full dance floor.
Dancers going nuts over R&R and swing dance covers, then the band switches to a lack lustre number & everyone sits down in dismay. My point is, learn what the crowd is responding to & keep your set in the same genre.
Understand that there are some tunes that can not be danced to. Play the quiet warm & fuzzy's during dinner at a level that clients can converse, then later in the night, hit them with a wall of great dance tunes.
And get that Fender GT gigging !!!

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Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:45 am
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oczad wrote:
The speaker didn't darken over time, ....

true, it's the ears, who darken. Specially if loaded powerful.
oczad wrote:
... i just came to realize in time it was dull in the top end especially in a band context.

The high tones get covered by the cymbals.


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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:25 pm
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First of all, saying tube amps sound better is just plain ridiculous. Having owned god knows how many since the early 70's and been a total tube snob till i got my first mustang, I can say w/o the slightest reservation there are tones of mediocre tube amps out there and the GT should not be compared to "tube amps". It can be compared to A PARTICULAR tube amp, but comparing it to tube amps overall is senseless.

Now this is just my opinion but in GENERAL terms I DO feel there are a couple things i can think of that each side does better. Tube amps generally, not all but most, have a more natural and extended top end. NOT all, but many. The GT has it's advantages too. Of the uncountable tube amps i have owned i cannot remember any of them having the same punch the GT has in a band mix at stage volume with overdrive. Maybe it has to do with the type of sound i create with it via my tonal and particular model preferences, but theres a punch i feel behind the notes that sends them out of the speaker like friggin bullets. I quite enjoy that because tube amps i always had trouble getting that kind of punch with a master volume amp. This is true even with the stock speaker, and you know how i feel about that thing.

Lastly, you might think twice about the ET90. I know there are some good reviews, but very few bt GT owners and while i liked it at first, in time and once used with a band i came to feel it's rather dull sounding. If i can come to realize that after some time and band use then those other reviewers that use one in thier GT may well feel differently in time too. One other then myself already said as much. I think its too dark in the top end and sounds dull compared to other speaker. This is just one man's opinion but i really do think it is a bit dull sounding and would be to most in time. After all, i loved it at first too. Your call but just a warming. As to the swamp thing, tried one in my MIII and utterly hated it. I;d go with the ET90 before that ! But again, 1 man;s opinion for what it;s worth.

And finally, stop asking yourself and everyone else if the amp is gig worthy !!!! It IS and big time. It's just a matter of figuring out what YOU need to do to get it where you are happy with it. It's not as easy as a 5 knob tube amp after all ! Now in regards to metal, that i wont address how it is as a very specific sounding rig and if you are going to be doing mostly or all metal, then you can probably disregard this entire post. I play pop music.....rock, blues, country rock,commercial pop tunes, etc etc. What the typical cover band played in my day at least.


Well man, I haven't owned all the tube amps you have, I don't even have a local shop that carries half of them and my nearest GC is 45 min away and one of the smaller ones. I have been able to try amps there but its hard with other players just coming in whaling away on amps way to loud for their playing. I am now getting to where my band is playing shows with other bands and the shows are getting a little more high profile and I want to be taken as serious with my budget as I can. Whether that's the GT, or another tube amp close to the same price is yet to be determined. I don't play any metal, I don't really have any use for the ultra-high gain stuff other then just fun to play with. I use the GT for cleans light-moderate distortion nothing reaching metal, I have mentioned I use two amps live the other being the orange 35rt and I love that thing for gain and cleans aren't bad either, used with an ABY I set the GT speaker to have more mids and be the higher EQd speaker cause the orange speakers are great a lot of low end though, so when I am using the GT for only cleans an fx its not so bad, but the functionality is hindering as well, I wish I had the experience of most you guys so I would know how other amps are.

You make a good point saying the Gt is more punchy, I noticed this in a recording one day of the band playing just recorded off a sell but when we listened to it through decent speaker when I soloed my notes where much more punchy and low then were my partners with his blues jr. his had the more natural feel the attack was much more apparent but punch of even single notes where noticed that is a very good point. I would take the GT over the blues jr I do not like that thing, I just think its shrill very think sounding and man FEEDBACK! I know that's not totally the amps fault but it def seemed worse on the blues jr then other models ive heard. Its pretty crazy but I think I want to sell the GT and get the Bugera V22 I know I know, the history and make of the amp, but after having played it, it smoked the Blues jr in my honest opinion. It was smoother and just warmer. The drive channel was meh and the reviews that are recent, are actually pretty solid for the money. I don't want to commit to the "bankbreaking" amps quite yet till the band has more of a following ya know, that's why you see me racking my brain with trying to decide. I like the perks of the GT but I just think the Bugera for cleans is more my thing I miss the valve attack like with a wah pedal that sharp "wicket" sound you get, I get it with the GT for sure I know how to dial in a setting that gives me that attack or as much as I can get but I jus think there are other factors that aren't really the GTs fault why I move on. I am trying to buy the bugera an keep the GT cause I really do love it. But I know Fender, and regardless of what anyone person tell me whether it be the CEO himself of fender, all us Mustang owners know a GTv2 is coming, if not already in the work, Id be willing to bet all my gear for a Vintage twin Reverb that blue prints atleast have been drawn up or talked about, I think if Fender wouldn't have botched the launch and not to beat a dead horse, gave it a better speaker, they would of had a wild success, I wouldn't be giving it up and I wouldn't of ever went a looked for another amp to pair with it. So that leaves me to wonder where will that leave the GT we have now? as a home amp I wouldn't stress about this and as a backup or rehearsal amp who cares as a main amp for gigging, idk plus the foot pedal is so limiting and the App even used on my tablet is glitch looses its Bluetooth connection if I don't use it for a min or two. I really wish I didn't have to sell it to get another amp, but I will need those funds. I know the Bugera is meh and im not getting all the tricks and perks that I will miss big time especially the FX but I played the Bugera an just loved it, im sure itll need money thrown into it, but itll still be cheaper then getting a new speaker and then getting a proper device to run the GT, cause my iphone runs my gt perfect picks the signal backup and its great but the screen is way to small for onstage I would need the ipad and cant swing just buying and ipad for the GT, I have a tablet don't need another. I might end up pussn out selling it cause man I love the convenience and the perks im really guna hate buying pedals again just think for more reasons then sound im better off waiting to see what fender does next.

I will say if they come up with a GT floor version where I can use the FX with my two amp I am all for that!!! I think they killed the FX and did a fantastic job the modulation pedal sound better then analog pedals people tell me are the best. The shimmer reverb, the vibe unit, pitch shifter, see this is where I hate selling it cause I wont buy half these pedal again and while I barely use them its fun to have. I wish I had the knowledge you did Oczad cause I bet the extension cab you got going rocks the thing. I just cant afford to experiment with buying speaker after speaker online till I find the right one, it really bumbs me out cause I think its obvious I love this amp, its just for a serious giggin musician without dumping a lot more money into it, its not the smartest option when the bugera is sitting there used that cheap, and once an if my band gains traction I will be looking into the big boy amps.

Another drag is when ABY the GT to another amp I cant use my real pedal board on both sides individually, something with the on board FX messes with the drag feature an the signal of the amps it deadens my boosts and everything Ive read that can be due to non true bypass pedal im guessing the onboard pedal are why thing is happening so I am forced to run my few pedals "I will always use my ts9 and crybaby wah" through the one side of things and cant use them on the GT side of the ABY I can use it with the Y feature but it doesn't comes out of the GTs side a true valve amp shouldn't give me this issue.

I hope to find a floor model I wish I had the old mustang floors, I think digital floor stations are def something I would love like I said the GTv2 needs to be a floor model and running that through tube amps be much more of a bang for your buck.


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First of all, saying tube amps sound better is just plain ridiculous. Having owned god knows how many since the early 70's and been a total tube snob till i got my first mustang, I can say w/o the slightest reservation there are tones of mediocre tube amps out there and the GT should not be compared to "tube amps". It can be compared to A PARTICULAR tube amp, but comparing it to tube amps overall is senseless.

Now this is just my opinion but in GENERAL terms I DO feel there are a couple things i can think of that each side does better. Tube amps generally, not all but most, have a more natural and extended top end. NOT all, but many. The GT has it's advantages too. Of the uncountable tube amps i have owned i cannot remember any of them having the same punch the GT has in a band mix at stage volume with overdrive. Maybe it has to do with the type of sound i create with it via my tonal and particular model preferences, but theres a punch i feel behind the notes that sends them out of the speaker like friggin bullets. I quite enjoy that because tube amps i always had trouble getting that kind of punch with a master volume amp. This is true even with the stock speaker, and you know how i feel about that thing.

Lastly, you might think twice about the ET90. I know there are some good reviews, but very few bt GT owners and while i liked it at first, in time and once used with a band i came to feel it's rather dull sounding. If i can come to realize that after some time and band use then those other reviewers that use one in thier GT may well feel differently in time too. One other then myself already said as much. I think its too dark in the top end and sounds dull compared to other speaker. This is just one man's opinion but i really do think it is a bit dull sounding and would be to most in time. After all, i loved it at first too. Your call but just a warming. As to the swamp thing, tried one in my MIII and utterly hated it. I;d go with the ET90 before that ! But again, 1 man;s opinion for what it;s worth.

And finally, stop asking yourself and everyone else if the amp is gig worthy !!!! It IS and big time. It's just a matter of figuring out what YOU need to do to get it where you are happy with it. It's not as easy as a 5 knob tube amp after all ! Now in regards to metal, that i wont address how it is as a very specific sounding rig and if you are going to be doing mostly or all metal, then you can probably disregard this entire post. I play pop music.....rock, blues, country rock,commercial pop tunes, etc etc. What the typical cover band played in my day at least.


Well man, I haven't owned all the tube amps you have, I don't even have a local shop that carries half of them and my nearest GC is 45 min away and one of the smaller ones. I have been able to try amps there but its hard with other players just coming in whaling away on amps way to loud for their playing. I am now getting to where my band is playing shows with other bands and the shows are getting a little more high profile and I want to be taken as serious with my budget as I can. Whether that's the GT, or another tube amp close to the same price is yet to be determined. I don't play any metal, I don't really have any use for the ultra-high gain stuff other then just fun to play with. I use the GT for cleans light-moderate distortion nothing reaching metal, I have mentioned I use two amps live the other being the orange 35rt and I love that thing for gain and cleans aren't bad either, used with an ABY I set the GT speaker to have more mids and be the higher EQd speaker cause the orange speakers are great a lot of low end though, so when I am using the GT for only cleans an fx its not so bad, but the functionality is hindering as well, I wish I had the experience of most you guys so I would know how other amps are.

You make a good point saying the Gt is more punchy, I noticed this in a recording one day of the band playing just recorded off a sell but when we listened to it through decent speaker when I soloed my notes where much more punchy and low then were my partners with his blues jr. his had the more natural feel the attack was much more apparent but punch of even single notes where noticed that is a very good point. I would take the GT over the blues jr I do not like that thing, I just think its shrill very think sounding and man FEEDBACK! I know that's not totally the amps fault but it def seemed worse on the blues jr then other models ive heard. Its pretty crazy but I think I want to sell the GT and get the Bugera V22 I know I know, the history and make of the amp, but after having played it, it smoked the Blues jr in my honest opinion. It was smoother and just warmer. The drive channel was meh and the reviews that are recent, are actually pretty solid for the money. I don't want to commit to the "bankbreaking" amps quite yet till the band has more of a following ya know, that's why you see me racking my brain with trying to decide. I like the perks of the GT but I just think the Bugera for cleans is more my thing I miss the valve attack like with a wah pedal that sharp "wicket" sound you get, I get it with the GT for sure I know how to dial in a setting that gives me that attack or as much as I can get but I jus think there are other factors that aren't really the GTs fault why I move on. I am trying to buy the bugera an keep the GT cause I really do love it. But I know Fender, and regardless of what anyone person tell me whether it be the CEO himself of fender, all us Mustang owners know a GTv2 is coming, if not already in the work, Id be willing to bet all my gear for a Vintage twin Reverb that blue prints atleast have been drawn up or talked about, I think if Fender wouldn't have botched the launch and not to beat a dead horse, gave it a better speaker, they would of had a wild success, I wouldn't be giving it up and I wouldn't of ever went a looked for another amp to pair with it. So that leaves me to wonder where will that leave the GT we have now? as a home amp I wouldn't stress about this and as a backup or rehearsal amp who cares as a main amp for gigging, idk plus the foot pedal is so limiting and the App even used on my tablet is glitch looses its Bluetooth connection if I don't use it for a min or two. I really wish I didn't have to sell it to get another amp, but I will need those funds. I know the Bugera is meh and im not getting all the tricks and perks that I will miss big time especially the FX but I played the Bugera an just loved it, im sure itll need money thrown into it, but itll still be cheaper then getting a new speaker and then getting a proper device to run the GT, cause my iphone runs my gt perfect picks the signal backup and its great but the screen is way to small for onstage I would need the ipad and cant swing just buying and ipad for the GT, I have a tablet don't need another. I might end up pussn out selling it cause man I love the convenience and the perks im really guna hate buying pedals again just think for more reasons then sound im better off waiting to see what fender does next.

I will say if they come up with a GT floor version where I can use the FX with my two amp I am all for that!!! I think they killed the FX and did a fantastic job the modulation pedal sound better then analog pedals people tell me are the best. The shimmer reverb, the vibe unit, pitch shifter, see this is where I hate selling it cause I wont buy half these pedal again and while I barely use them its fun to have. I wish I had the knowledge you did Oczad cause I bet the extension cab you got going rocks the thing. I just cant afford to experiment with buying speaker after speaker online till I find the right one, it really bumbs me out cause I think its obvious I love this amp, its just for a serious giggin musician without dumping a lot more money into it, its not the smartest option when the bugera is sitting there used that cheap, and once an if my band gains traction I will be looking into the big boy amps.

Another drag is when ABY the GT to another amp I cant use my real pedal board on both sides individually, something with the on board FX messes with the drag feature an the signal of the amps it deadens my boosts and everything Ive read that can be due to non true bypass pedal im guessing the onboard pedal are why thing is happening so I am forced to run my few pedals "I will always use my ts9 and crybaby wah" through the one side of things and cant use them on the GT side of the ABY I can use it with the Y feature but it doesn't comes out of the GTs side a true valve amp shouldn't give me this issue.

I hope to find a floor model I wish I had the old mustang floors, I think digital floor stations are def something I would love like I said the GTv2 needs to be a floor model and running that through tube amps be much more of a bang for your buck.


Wow very informative :o thank you so much

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