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Post subject: Compression pedals on the GT? Tips on setting?
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:48 am
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I notice even the high gain patches you can download come with a compression pedal set in the chain. To my ears anyway some of the best high gain heavy crunch tones “the part I feel the GT lacks the most in” are the best sounding in the patches with a compressor on. I’m finding more uses for the compressor but the GT one is a compressor no doubt but it’s doesnt really have the same dialing in the others do. It seems to be a little different lingo
So to speak. I’m curious, to those who would know
More then I, compressor with funk light distortion a good thing? What are some settings you guys are using to get some great tones? I mainly use mine for either cleaning up An rounding out a fatter clean tone... or the flip of that one that’s more scratchy an funky given... I found a patch last night the Little Wing Patch took me awhile to realize this one was there an the way the compressor is set on that one I love! I just kinda lack at understanding the best time an ways to use a compressor, seems like it’s a mixed crowd among us guitarists, I think I’m one that loves them... like I metioned even if distortion has natural compression... I still feel the best heavy patches on the GT tone site have a compressor in the chain.... or is that just me? Most articles I’ve skimmed really don’t seem to push for guitarist to have one I seems like a “ meh” pedal when I’m kinda like these things are great! Anyone feel the same or share some wise tone tips on how to set mine for various tone. And what’s working for you guys?!


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Post subject: Re: Compression pedals on the GT? Tips on setting?
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:01 am
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Hi Cbryand88,
There's a new video just posted yesterday on YouTube about using compression, by Rabea Massaad (he's one of the Andertons guys). Might be of interest to you!
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Post subject: Re: Compression pedals on the GT? Tips on setting?
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:44 pm
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Find a vst plugin that has the same controls as the GT compressor. (see below)

record a chord, (or a riff, a rythym strum, a bend, a pluck)

Put it in a track in audacity, with a few seconds of silence
before or after it, and copy/paste them as one, until you've got a 10 min track.

Import that into a daw, and put the compressor vst that matches
the GT controls on the track, and hit play. You'll hear the effect,
have a few seconds of silence to modify the setting of interest, and dial things in,
making some notes on what you like, listen and repeat, pausing playback as desired.

You can have another daw track with the Mustang on it,
transposing and comparing settings you like from the vst to the GT compressor.

You can also add a second track with the same vst, and try blending varied settings,
experiment on tracks with specific componants and qualities, drum solos,
acapella vocals, whatever is in your wheel house.

https://audioskills.com/tips/compression/

has a boatload of general compressing tips.

http://www.vst4free.com

has lots of free compressor plugins with ratings and gui pic, if you want
look for a match:

http://www.vst4free.com/index.php?s_key ... mit=Search

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Post subject: Re: Compression pedals on the GT? Tips on setting?
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:38 pm
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Thanks guys for the advice, I think I am a guitarist that will come to love the compression pedal, even when I get nothing but tubed amps, I will still have a compression pedal in my chain, more so for cleans, but as mentioned I noticed a lot of my favorite patches from the Tone app high gain or not have compression pedals in the chain all of them set to various settings, which makes it a little hard to grasp what each setting is actually doing as a dial in various settings. I have a good understanding of a compression pedal but the GTs seems to be a little different then the other traditional stomp compressors ive read about.

I do have ableton and FL 12 for DAWS so Im sure I could mess with a couple different instruments on there and see how the different settings effect the sound. That is the overall purpose anyway, to learn and understand when and where a compression pedal can be useful and how to set it for the various tones I try to achieve. Thanks for the help guys!!! I will look into both the link you guys suggested and methods, even though the guitar community seems split on whether you "need" one in your chain or not, I think they can help add some great sustain and make the cleans sound brighter and allow all the notes to be equally heard, which really matters especially on clean songs or even songs with light distortion, I am a fan of the tightness it seem to bring. Ive been able to squeeze out fatter warmer tones and also lighter more funk staccato feel sounds with the compressor so far. All of those tones can be achieved without one but I just feel like when used right, it just adds more color an a overall more even sound for all the notes. But don't get me wrong, set the compressor incorrectly and you can def hinder if not flat out muddy and ruin your tone.


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Post subject: Re: Compression pedals on the GT? Tips on setting?
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:16 pm
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Cbryand88 wrote:
as mentioned I noticed a lot of my favorite patches from the Tone app high gain or not have compression pedals in the chain all of them set to various settings, which makes it a little hard to grasp what each setting is actually doing as a dial in various settings.

So true. If you only used 20 tones in the next five years, the compressor settings,
and their interactions with amp settings and other pedals/racks, could populate
a small solar system. Part of the difficulty is that 'preset technology' and editing software
enables multitudes of hobbyists to sound like skilled players, without having
tread the paths to mastery. By isolating each unit in the signal chain, one by one,
and learning how to make the desired results, you'll achieve that mastery,
and any technology designed for sale to excited hobbyists, can still be used
to your advantage, but you'll know why it sounds good, and then be able to
improve upon it.

7300 doesn't mean much, but four hours a day of study/practice
for five years is 7300 hours, which will pass, one way or the other.
Where do we want to be in 5 years? In the studio? On Stage?
In the charts? :D


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Post subject: Re: Compression pedals on the GT? Tips on setting?
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:12 pm
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Good point man ^^^^. The compressors open a world of tones and capabilities. Trying to understand them fully is hard to do, all the articles you read really just seem to go back and forth with how to properly set the compressor, and what is even more weird is most articles tell you not to use compressors with distortion cause of the natural compression we get from a distorted signals. But that doesn’t seem to hold true with modeling amps and the GTs compressor anyway, I think it gives it more a of a tight tubed amp feel depending how its set obviously. That what I seemed to notice atleast on most of the high gain channels is the compressor always being on an fully altering the signal, whether its for the better or not can be debated amongst us, but to my ears it seems like the compressor really helps on cleans/and distortion on the GT, along with the EQ in the chain the possibilities are endless much like you stated enough possibilities to fill a small universe full of tones haha. But what I really wonder if compressors really help that much why aren’t more artists using them? I mean even if I switch to a tubed amp rig no modeling, I would still buy a compressor pedal I don’t think I could be without one now. I love what they do for cleans as you can hear more of the effect the pedal has on the signal with a clean channel. It can make the cleans warm, lush, full, or the opposite a little twangy for that staccato feel for funk music.


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Post subject: Re: Compression pedals on the GT? Tips on setting?
Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 9:00 pm
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I visualize a compressor and modulations as an adjustable nozzle on the garden hose,
and the amp as the water supply. If the hose is full, and the water pressure
is good, then the nozzle can be used as a fine mist, or a strong directional jet,
and wherever in between, and sometimes the nozzle won't be needed.
Playing guitar is like a kiss on the first date, timing and propriety
are everything. If it's the wrong moment, or it's just not happening (yet)
make the second date even better.

It's good to recognize how our tools differ from those used
as the basis for articles and advice. There are far too many
variables in modern gear for blanket statements, and all us kinda wish our
best ones were carved in stone. Google will find the other ones
at the most innopportune moments :(
Cheers


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