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Post subject: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:47 am
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Am I on my own here?
The smartphone app is fine and dandy (don't own a GT yet), I have an MIIIv2 and I freakin LOVE the fuse program for what it is.
As a guy that likes to record video with backing tracks etc, I find my PC is always plugged in anyway.
It seems silly to me to HAVE to resort to plugging in a phone to access the many features of a mustang amp.

Seems held back to me...


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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:58 pm
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That's an easy one to answer. Everyone has a phone while less and less people have a PC. I'd guess one of the top design goals for the GT was make sure anyone of any age, especially teenagers and twenty-somethings, could Tweak the amp like every tech product that's around now. That means remote operation by phone. I loved Fuse and still hope Tone can do the same job as Fuse but without the wires (there's no plugging in any wires). It's still a work in progress but there's no turning back. I have a phone holder on my mic stand and all I have to do is tap the preset I want. Great for when you need to jump around since I'll never remember where I put new presets I'm working on.


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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:10 pm
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PC sales are dying off as people move to phones and tablets. The only thing that the Tone app can't do (yet) is save your presets offline. We are told that this is coming. I don't use a phone myself but I am happy to use an iPad for all my musical needs.


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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:41 am
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Computer sales are lower because they are so fast, people
stopped needing new ones, minimising the search and need for
ever more data processing power, and in our case,
allowing for recording studio quality audio at home.

There just isn't much a five year old i7 with ssd's can't do, whereas in 2010,
there were still a lot of smoking cpu's and drives dealing with the latest software
dsp and disk streaming capabilities.

Beyond that, there is a lot of tactile interaction
missing on a smooth glass touch interface, especially ones that are not
solidly secured to stationary objects, and then they must be *secured
in some position* that is both touch ergonomic, and readable,
for them to be suitable for more than casual use.

*_*and sadly, the generation most often using smooth glass surfaces,
is dreadfully incapable of figuring out how to fasten one thing
to another, short of some super-glue. And even then, some wind
up in the ER needing a finger-separation procedure...
Cheers


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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:45 pm
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A PC Editor and a nice way to save my GT 100 presets would be very valuable to me. If I had that (and a better foot switching system) I would use the GT a bunch more. Those 2 things really still hold it back for me. I am spoiled by Fuse and the preset switching mode of my M III v2.
The tones are in there in the GT 100!


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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:22 pm
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Thanks for the feedback all.
I guess I am old school?...
Almost rather go from my MIIIv2 to guitar rig and a set of studio monitors if that is the case (when it's time).

Side note,
Anyone have experience with comparing the two? Fender Fuse vs Guitar Rig? Curious.


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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:23 pm
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Guitar Rig effects are excellent. The amp-modeling tech itself
is according to many, far behind competitors. Which makes it a
candidate for using any Mustang as a sound source for the effects.
Which are presented in a nice drag & drop dual-rack interface.
There is a very nice and well stocked free version at the NI website.

Revalver and Amplitube also have free versions, with few effects,
but newer amp models. These both have an amp-store gui
to test/purchase gear models to expand the collection alacarte.
'Emissary' is a free virtual amp solution well worth the google search.

Fuse gui was fine for easily creating gear chains, and along with
the online preset collection and ratings system, deserves to be updated,
and then ported for the GT's.
dos centavos
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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:07 am
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guildorf,

Are you saying that there is a way to use the mustang as an "audio interface" in combination with Guitar Rig?...or just hopeful that it will happen one day?
I really like the graphic used in Fender Fuse, I think it's the most user friendly as well.
What's not to like about something that is user friendly and pretty? :)
I assume we can still download user presets via direct from the website just not through the Fuse application anymore. Too bad we can't try them out before "saving" any more.
I am still fairly new to Fuse and it's abilities as my mustang is only months old with it sitting on one specific custom preset this far.

Lots of youtube videos of folks recording with their stangs that really make this thing an awesome amp this all but dead in my opinion. Lovin the crap out of mine for sure.

GT will be taking a back seat to Guitar Rig and a studio setup for this guy.
Smart phone apps are supposed to be secondary and lessor to pc applications (limited everything compared to pc), it's the way it's been for so long. They are crippling the versatility of this thing by leaving the pc (more serious setups imo) out.


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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:54 pm
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Yes, all our Mustangs are asio ready usb audio input devices.
This just requires setting up the Mustang as the audio input device,
and then your motherboard sound, or added soundcard,
as the audio output device, pretty easy, whether in win, mac, or linux sound settings.
Fender provide an asio driver, which would be chosen in your audio recorder/daw
asio preferences dialog.

After doing that, in Reaper, for example, right-click the empty area
in the upper-left corner, and in the dropdown menu that opens,
choose

'Insert virtual instrument on new track'

This opens your plugins list, as defined by the plugin paths
chosen in Reapers vst preferences...Guitar Rig, when installed,
would be found by clicking in the vst sublist at the left of the popup gui)
...vst is for effects, vsti sublist is for the installed midi instruments like Kontakt.

When you select your plugin from the list, the new Reaper track appears,
which defaults to midi input, so in that tracks channels gui, where it says

MIDI All: All Channels

right-click on that text, and in the dropdown menu that opens,
select 'Input: Stereo' (or mono) , and now your Mustang
will play into the plugin(s) which are on that track.

Guitar Rig also installs a standalone version, as do most pro amp-sims,
which will have their own preferences dialog, to choose audio devices.

Peavy Revalver 4 and IK AmplitubeCS also have useful free versions,
and if you're a lil'bit 'crazed', you can run a suitable Mustang sound
into Revalver, use Revalver's plugin host option to load Amplitube CS,
and then add Guitar Rig to finish the chain...(beware the gain-staging)
but I digress too far, methinks. :wink:

(I should add, if you have a soundcard with line-in jacks,
that the mustang's headphone-line-out combo jack cab be connected there,
and using that does not require the Fender asio driver, or setting up
separate audio input/output devices. You'd use the asio driver provided with
the soundcard. I use a simple mAudio pci souncard, and Mustangs sound fine recorded
that way, a slightly higher noise-floor than with the usb, but nothing too drastic.)

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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:01 pm
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Very informative reply!
Thanks a ton buddy.

After a bit of a struggle in dealing with the common popping and cracking noises while using my mustang 3v2 through my DAW (mixcraft 8), I have decided to look into picking up an external audio interface.
Apparently the ASIO driver has some compatibility issues with typical realtek on board sound devices.
I am just using an HP laptop, but this problem seems to be wide spread. It's typically heard through playback while recording (such as a cover over a backing track).

I love my stang, but yeah...as for Guitar Rig or BiasFX etc, it's gonna be an external interface I think.
Unless you and your obvious experience has a possible fix?


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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:33 am
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Maybe programming sounds would get to easy on a 27 inch screen?
Not only being the fitting size for old socks like me, it could be immediately access to a lot of controls in one click.

Dealing with those tiny full-hds always steps on my nerves.

As you get USB-BT adapters for 10$ a cable would not be required.

Even on tablet would be better.


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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:04 pm
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I was finally after many attempts able to update my nook hd+ to the new android 7.1 and able to use the tone app on my GT. My iphone on stage was just to small a screen for me to trust on stage with turning on and off pedal and switching through presets. Its a lot easier with a tablet or pad but a phone does the job as well. The sooner we can backup our presets the better.

I myself have just lately been having trouble with crackles with recording straight from usb to laptop. I use ASIO or the Fender ASIO to record into the DAW "ableton or FL studios 12" I didn't seem to get the crackle as much in FL but it may. I imagine going through a DI box like the Scarlett's might help reduce latency and popping but for now im trying to just mix it out or find way around it. I usually use the GT for cab sims and FX but learning a couple new things in this thread may have me trying some new stuff to see how it sounds.

So I would just use a empty preset channel? to get the best sound out of the DAW sims? I should not choose a cab or amp sim on the GT? I don't have reaper or any of those guitar sim programs, are any of them free an worth downloading? I found by not having the computers input volume up to loud helps. Try turning the amp up first before going to high on the input recording. something that helped me a little


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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:26 pm
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I think im an old school person too, with so many phones nowadays

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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:31 pm
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MYREL Tech wrote:
That's an easy one to answer. Everyone has a phone while less and less people have a PC. I'd guess one of the top design goals for the GT was make sure anyone of any age, especially teenagers and twenty-somethings, could Tweak the amp like every tech product that's around now. That means remote operation by phone. I loved Fuse and still hope Tone can do the same job as Fuse but without the wires (there's no plugging in any wires). It's still a work in progress but there's no turning back. I have a phone holder on my mic stand and all I have to do is tap the preset I want. Great for when you need to jump around since I'll never remember where I put new presets I'm working on.


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Post subject: Re: Why no pc control of amp models etc (fender fuse)?
Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:56 pm
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Out of the park in 1. Computers 'last' longer, and at this point there is little need to upgrade hardware often, if at all, barring a failure. Plus, my computer would be much faster at restoring and backing up patches than my phone over BT and I would greatly appreciate the real estate that my dual monitors provide.

guildorf wrote:
Computer sales are lower because they are so fast, people
stopped needing new ones, minimising the search and need for
ever more data processing power, and in our case,
allowing for recording studio quality audio at home.

There just isn't much a five year old i7 with ssd's can't do, whereas in 2010,
there were still a lot of smoking cpu's and drives dealing with the latest software
dsp and disk streaming capabilities.

Beyond that, there is a lot of tactile interaction
missing on a smooth glass touch interface, especially ones that are not
solidly secured to stationary objects, and then they must be *secured
in some position* that is both touch ergonomic, and readable,
for them to be suitable for more than casual use.

*_*and sadly, the generation most often using smooth glass surfaces,
is dreadfully incapable of figuring out how to fasten one thing
to another, short of some super-glue. And even then, some wind
up in the ER needing a finger-separation procedure...
Cheers


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