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Post subject: Did the update introduce tools to combat "boxiness"/muffle
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:48 am
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Love my GT40 and all of it's features. My main gripe is the "amp under a blanket"/boxiness/muffled sound many of the presets have.

Did the latest update and the introduction of EQs and such help anyone combat that effect? It's very pronounced. I don't want to get rid of the GT40 as I love everything else about it.

Any tips or tricks would be greatly appreciated! Thanks guys.


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Post subject: Re: Did the update introduce tools to combat "boxiness"/muff
Posted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:23 pm
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1. New strings
2. Correct gap between strings and pickups
3. Break-in amp 24 hours full-range cd music
at medium volume
4. Get the amp off the floor
5. Set guitar tone/volume knobs at 5-7 range
6. Find the range of modeled amp settings you'll use most often,
document them, make/modify a few presets, ballpark replicating
them on all the GT amp models you use. Try all the cabinets,
as they can be a key difference maker.
7. Do the same for the stomp/rack models.
You want enough room in your default amp settings,
for the tone and gain changes of your modeled add-ons
to be enjoyed, while not overloading the output.
8. Compare the results using the global eq settings,
and adjust the amp model presets accordingly. String gauge
will be a factor in this.
9. Listening with headphones and recording by line/usb
will require a very different batch of settings. Get or make
some pro backing tracks, record your GT part(s) with them,
critique with barbaric brutality, hear them on car stereo,
earbuds, home theatre, studio monitors, and start zeroing in on
polished finished songs. Good times ahead.
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Post subject: Re: Did the update introduce tools to combat "boxiness"/muff
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:40 am
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This is a subject i've been trying to figure out from day one because my GT10 has this amount of boxiness/muffle...ZERO. Can it get that kind of sound? Yes? Are some the stock presets like that? Maybe, but i really don't know because i have no reason at all to use them. A quick listen when i first got the amp and just like the old mustang they sounded crappy. But i can't recall if they were boxy or muffled sounding, i just heard "lousy" and started making my own immediately. I can't understand for the life of me why anyone would use them anymore than i could understand why someone would buy a tube amp and leave all the knobs where they were when they took it out of the box when new.

Anyways the only 3 possibilities i can see for that type of sound being all someone can get out of a gt are these.....1-lack of experience with the user 2-user only using presets (assuming they are in large part boxy/muffled) or 3-the GT40 and 200 have the issue due to the stereo setup which may have some sort of default and non switchable stereo effect built in like the hass effect or some such thing. I think brad said it doesn't have that, but maybe there is something along those lines going on if not the exact thing, of maybe theres something causing phase issues between the 2 stereo amps sections.

In any case, depending on what causes it theres either a way to get around it or not. All i know is my GT100 is the only one of the 3 models that is NOT stereo and the patches i use which i designed myself don't even hint at boxy/muffled. But them i steer away from that type of sound so any patch made by me on the GT100 is not going to sound boxy. If i had to guess at what the issue is i would say that it;s more likely user error than any issue with the GT line. And lastly, one exception...cabs.....take note that many cabs sound boxy just like those amps do in real life. Most small combos are going to sound boxy tone extent or another. You have to realize that when fender designs a model's sound they have to be true to it or it won't sound like it. mean, where do you draw the line? If you wanted to improve a certain amp and make it perfect to your ear and that amp has a lot of tonal issues, you'll end up with something that sounds nothing like the real thing. You you MUST model EVERYTHING about it or you defeat the purpose of having models of each amp. So yes, you will get a boxy sound out of a lot of the small combo models just like they are in real life. I don't have that problem, and the reason is if i like the sound of one of those boxy sounding models aside from the boxiness, i use a different cab than default. If you don't then complain about it, then you need to learn a lot about working with tone to get what you like to hear.


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Post subject: Re: Did the update introduce tools to combat "boxiness"/muff
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:36 pm
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For cover bands in competetive markets, the guitarist needs to know
hundreds of tone/modulation/ambience settings, to be transposed
to the bands limited gear collection. Knowing how to
box and muffle sounds to create accurate covers,
implies also knowing how not to, when to, and when not to.
Probably even at times in the same song.

Modeling amps with huge numbers of gear combos can be used
to good advantage, as well as computer based amp-sims
and specialized system replicators.

For modeling techs: If you model Cindy Crawford,
do you keep the mole? Wield the airbrush?
Or embrace mother nature(al)
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Post subject: Re: Did the update introduce tools to combat "boxiness"/muff
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:01 pm
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Thanks for all the tips guys! They've been helping a lot! Really been getting better tones out of my GT40. Also just got the footswitch and the magnetic overlay and they are fantastic.

Love Fender :).


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Post subject: Re: Did the update introduce tools to combat "boxiness"/muff
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:03 pm
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oczad wrote:
Anyways the only 3 possibilities i can see for that type of sound being all someone can get out of a gt are these.....1-lack of experience with the user


Honestly I pretty much assumed this was the main cause in my case :)


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Post subject: Re: Did the update introduce tools to combat "boxiness"/muff
Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 1:13 pm
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Things are changing too fast...if you're experienced,
you're scrambling to preserve and adapt, if you're new,
you're scrambling to learn, sort, and prioritize.
We come at the deluge of great options from many perspectives,
and most often it's the salesman who wins :lol:


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