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Post subject: Using ABY pedal with the GT ?
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:09 pm
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So as the topic says I am wanting to get an ABY pedal to run the Mustang and the Orange crush ct35. Without a speaker upgrade the high gain channels are not getting it done, so I bought this little beast, its LOUD almost right with the Gt, but anyway I want to use the Fender Gt for those fender cleans cause this amp does this very well, and the orange for distortion, so with an ABY pedal in theory, the GT's stompboxes an effects should come out with the crush when both amps are running together when the pedal for both amps is on? the main reason I don't trade in the Mustang Gt is cause if you are okay with using just the fender patches its solid a solid gigging amp the we all know the modeling technology on these things are beastly the speaker holds this amp back so much, but all those stomp effects are what is making me want to keep it and make it work with my orange instead of going back to a fender blues jr or something I don't want to buy all those pedals again.........

so anyone know the better ABY pedals out there that's aren't outrageously priced and will keep my volume in tact, all this reading on true bypass an buffer is confusing I forget why I even start reading about it in the first place. I have the real actual Ts9 overdrive, Boss distortion, and a Cry-baby wah that I use so where would the ABY pedal go in my chain and would getting true bypass or passive really matter for what I am trying to do? Any info would be much appreciated


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Post subject: Re: Using ABY pedal with the GT ?
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 12:31 am
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Cbryand88 wrote:
So as the topic says I am wanting to get an ABY pedal to run the Mustang and the Orange crush ct35. Without a speaker upgrade the high gain channels are not getting it done, so I bought this little beast, its LOUD almost right with the Gt, but anyway I want to use the Fender Gt for those fender cleans cause this amp does this very well, and the orange for distortion, so with an ABY pedal in theory, the GT's stompboxes an effects should come out with the crush when both amps are running together when the pedal for both amps is on? the main reason I don't trade in the Mustang Gt is cause if you are okay with using just the fender patches its solid a solid gigging amp the we all know the modeling technology on these things are beastly the speaker holds this amp back so much, but all those stomp effects are what is making me want to keep it and make it work with my orange instead of going back to a fender blues jr or something I don't want to buy all those pedals again.........

so anyone know the better ABY pedals out there that's aren't outrageously priced and will keep my volume in tact, all this reading on true bypass an buffer is confusing I forget why I even start reading about it in the first place. I have the real actual Ts9 overdrive, Boss distortion, and a Cry-baby wah that I use so where would the ABY pedal go in my chain and would getting true bypass or passive really matter for what I am trying to do? Any info would be much appreciated


Fender makes an ABY pedal which costs only £25 in the UK so it should be about about the same in USD. It does (A and B) or (A or B) so your guitar can be switched to go to either amp or both amps together. It's just a simple switch but requires a battery to drive the LEDS to show which mode is working. 'A' would go into your Mustang and 'B' into the first pedal in your chain attached to your second amp.


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Post subject: Re: Using ABY pedal with the GT ?
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:00 pm
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So it shouldn't be a problem using the effects from the mustang gt on the orange crush when the "BOTH" signal is on? and so in order to use my actual wah pedal and Ts9 overdrive on both amps or individually the chain order would be the one you just gave me "mustang then my actual pedal board and then my orange and guitar would be into the stang?


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Post subject: Re: Using ABY pedal with the GT ?
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 3:18 pm
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Cbryand88 wrote:
So it shouldn't be a problem using the effects from the mustang gt on the orange crush when the "BOTH" signal is on? and so in order to use my actual wah pedal and Ts9 overdrive on both amps or individually the chain order would be the one you just gave me "mustang then my actual pedal board and then my orange and guitar would be into the stang?


You are not making any sense, man. The switch routes your guitar to either amplifier or both in parallel. Your pedal board needs to go between the guitar and the ABY if you want to use it through both amps or between the ABY and the Orange Crush if you want to use it only on that. You can't use the Mustang's effects on the Orange Crush as they are internal to the Mustang - although it might be possible to take a cable from the GT-100 effects out to the Orange effects in (if there is one) - never tried a topography like that, never needed it.


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Post subject: Re: Using ABY pedal with the GT ?
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:46 pm
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Sorry I re-read what I put and it didn't make sense. lol I was trying to put it best way I could, but yes that's what I was wondering how to achieve, using the Fender Mustangs effects on the orange line "line B for example" but I should still be able to use my pedal board with both A, B, and Y signals if the ABY pedal is after the stang into my first pedal which is my wah?

So when the Y line is selected and both amps are playing, the mustangs effects should still work on that signal correct? I just cant use the mustangs effects solely on the orange? correct?

I have called many shops trying to figure this out and they suggested what you have and taking the effects out of stang into the Effects in of the orange "which it has". It also has AUX in an headphone out but I do not think those outs will help in this situation, it maybe easier for me to trade in the GT and get like a Blues jr, and just have one pedal board in the middle instead of dealing with an internal board basically. it sounds like it might be a pain, unless I am okay with the "orange b channel for example" just having the pedals I have on the board to use. The Y line is where I am still confused, with the Y line selected ont the ABY pedal I figured in my head the mustangs effects would then work on that line. sorry im very new to the ABY stuff and I love the idea, just the digital effects seem to make things a little harder to work with since as you mentioned, the GTs effects are built in.


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Post subject: Re: Using ABY pedal with the GT ?
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:54 pm
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Cbryand88 wrote:
Sorry I re-read what I put and it didn't make sense. lol I was trying to put it best way I could, but yes that's what I was wondering how to achieve, using the Fender Mustangs effects on the orange line "line B for example" but I should still be able to use my pedal board with both A, B, and Y signals if the ABY pedal is after the stang into my first pedal which is my wah?

So when the Y line is selected and both amps are playing, the mustangs effects should still work on that signal correct? I just cant use the mustangs effects solely on the orange? correct?


Yes.

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I have called many shops trying to figure this out and they suggested what you have and taking the effects out of stang into the Effects in of the orange "which it has". It also has AUX in an headphone out but I do not think those outs will help in this situation, it maybe easier for me to trade in the GT and get like a Blues jr, and just have one pedal board in the middle instead of dealing with an internal board basically. it sounds like it might be a pain, unless I am okay with the "orange b channel for example" just having the pedals I have on the board to use. The Y line is where I am still confused, with the Y line selected ont the ABY pedal I figured in my head the mustangs effects would then work on that line. sorry im very new to the ABY stuff and I love the idea, just the digital effects seem to make things a little harder to work with since as you mentioned, the GTs effects are built in.


I have a Blues Junior too, but I can get exactly the same tone out of my Mustang GT-100, so I don't use the Blues Junior anymore. I dare say that if I had an Orange Crush handy, I could get that tone out of a Mustang GT-100 too in a few minutes. It's just a tool, but like any tool, you have to learn to use it and you don't blame the tool if you can't.


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Post subject: Re: Using ABY pedal with the GT ?
Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:01 pm
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Have you swapped speaker of the gt out?

I agree with you that you can get damn near the same sound out of the gt that you can the blues jr or hot rod... maybe a speaker swap on the gt makes it even closer I still think tubed wins to my ears but it's close as far as orange sound I don't think so personally... I don't think the Gt does distortion very well unless it's like the fender patches with ts9... unless the speaker swap really makes all the difference which I can't say it does or doesn't I haven't tried, I don't like the sound of the high gain pacthes at loud stage volumes I think it starts to break up an looses thump unlike the orange amp or tubed Amps... cleans and even wiTh the ts9 overdrive sound solid I can give You That the reason I got the orange was for higher gain songs an plus I like the way orange sets their sound up... the Low end compression and gain... an eq pedal might help my situation..... I'll just have to buy the ABY pedal an mesa Around and see how I like it.... I'm still debating on speaker swap of the stang or trading it in...

I will say I kept the stang so long cause I think it's so close to tubed Amps it's worth it and the pedals that come on it are all great so saves a lot of money there... i just don't like it for high gain songs, again maybe a speaker swap or ABY pedal with the Y function having the two Amps going same time once matched, will sound a lot bigger an mic great give the scooped mids of the fender and keep the Low crunch of the orange... i think the morely pedal or mxr pedal I think it is will be good starting points to see if I like the sound an options I get switching back and forth


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Post subject: Re: Using ABY pedal with the GT ?
Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:56 am
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Have you swapped speaker of the gt out?


No, the stock speaker sounds just fine at the volume levels I play. If I was playing live, I would mic up the Mustang though the PA so that the Mustang is still only playing at a low level. I never have the Master control higher than 10 o'clock. I might change the speaker if I was using it backline unmiced but in that situation, I would employ a second cabinet. That's what I used to do with my Peavey Classic 30 - which made a matching tweed cabinet. There is no matching cabinet for a Mustang but plenty of black tolex third party ones. The Mustang GT and the satellite cabinet would then each have an 8 ohm Celestion speaker. All the best sounding Celstion speakers are low wattage (and expensive) so, sharing the load across two means that I don't have to use the cheap 100 watt models.


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Post subject: Re: Using ABY pedal with the GT ?
Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 3:00 pm
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So my band finally found a second guitarist, an he plays the blues jr 40 watt, which is the amp I am debating getting to run A/B with my orange. I expected this to be the night the Gt would show it lack of authentic sound, much to my surprise it hung well with the blues jr. When I used it for cleans and then just had a little reverb and a greebox overdrive "or the mock Ts9" it actually sounded just fine. It got more high end and less low end the other tubed and solid state amps I think that's where people get scared of this amp. As I assure you I know how to tinker to get great tones from this amp, my issue was I always worried of how it would stack against another fender amp. It did solid. I think I am still happy I purchased the orange crush amps "35 watts" for my higher gain stuff as I mentioned the Gt seems to lack the lows the most.

SSSSSSSSSSSOOOOO.......now im a stuck on what to do again. I have the money to switch to a tubed amp and slowly rebuild pedal board, but the Gt did do well. Like I said and you as well have mentioned, the Gt sounds best when not opened up to much says its 100watt but best sound comes out if treated like a 70 watt or something ya know. My band is just beginning to play out more so the mustang could get me by awhile I am sure. I am just wondering if I have the money now, should I go ahead an make the switch to a tubed fender amp, I would think eventually doing higher class shows I am going to want a tubed amp. But I am also aware that could be my biased opinion. I always assume tubed is better when a new speaker may very well make the GT every bit as good clean an light distortion wise as a blues JR, and then I have the orange for the more aggressive sounding stuff we do. Main point is the GT does better then a lot of people give credit for especially on the fender patches.


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Post subject: Re: Using ABY pedal with the GT ?
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:59 am
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Well, my experience is that a speaker upgrade made a huge difference to my subjective enjoyment of the GT.
Worth a try and cheaper than a new amp.
Might not work for you but did for me.


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