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Post subject: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:18 am
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I see fender made the last patch used come up when started, and some like that tho i don't. I don't care much either, i mean it doesn't bother me. But what i think would have been more important is last MODE used. I may be wrong, but i;d bet most people tend to use one of the modes all or most of the time, and unless their most or only used mode is preset mode, then every time they start it they have to switch to thier mode. Personally, while i use most of the modes i tend to use only one at home where i use the amp most. But it is NOT the default mode that the amp starts in so i have to change it every time i start the amp, which can be as many as 20 times a day.

In short, i cannot imagine why anyone would NOT want it to start in last mode used rather then one default mode. I think it;s a no brainer as a candidate for a "last ________used" tweak. While there may be someone who would find that a bad thing, i can't see any reason why the vast majority wouldn't like it. Even if thier preferred mode were the one that is default now, it would still be to them anyways since it would be the last one they used. So i can see no reason for the amp to NOT have this feature implemented.


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:34 pm
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I have to offer another view on resetting the mode setting which is the GT-100 Global EQ. My default is FLAT and I tweak gig presets just the way I like 'em so they sound their best in my home studio. But the studio is just one location among several ever-changing venues and places I play. Having a GT Global EQ setting has done a great job of quickly solving sonic issues caused by the different acoustics with just a few quick adjustments. This is the first amp I've ever used that does this right! Before the GT I had to carry and plug-in an EQ just to equalize for each location and manually try to dial-in an EQ-curve that'd fix lack of highs, boomy bass, and the worst case, playing outdoors. I don't bring that extra EQ anymore thanks to the GT Global EQ setting working really well sonically across 20 something patches. Then, after the gig is over and the amp shows up again in my studio, I turn it on and we're auto-reset to my default FLAT. Nothing to forget, it's FLAT EQ.

Not a showstopper but I preferred the amp to reset to patch one for the same reasons. It's my "General All Purpose Clean '65 Twin" setting where everything starts. The last tune of the last set is never ever going to be a Clean Twin patch so now I'll have to turn on the amp and stomp QA1 as soon as I can!


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:09 pm
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I agree. In fact, one of the reasons i never use the global EQ anymore after a brief time using it is because several times i forgot it was on some other setting than flat and played the amp for hours or days wondering why my tone wasn't great till it occurred to me to check the GEQ. I also don't care for the settings that much. I'd have preferred an assignable per patch graphic EQ, and even better a second thats global. But thats asking for the world considering what we keep getting are minor things that usually have nothing to do with tone tweaking. Not saying some aren't great changes, but considering the amp is a huge step backwards from the V1/2 mustangs in almost every way but tone, this is just playing catch up and we aren't remotely close to being caught up after about 5 updates.


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 2:04 pm
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My Cyber-Twin had the "Select an EQ Curve" for each patch but I'm happy to trade that for the Global EQ since it's working for me. I had to drag around an EQ for the CT too so I love not needing an extra EQ anymore.

I'm sort-of OK with the updates for now except the Tone App is slow, poorly implemented, and still flakey. Glad I can get it all done using the (oh so tiny) amp screens. They have improved that functionality enough so that the Tone App is an optional nice to have rather than a must-have.

But, the number one missing feature on my list is, and I can not believe this was omitted, there is no Backing up personal patches yet. Maybe I have to load them separately up somewhere in the Fender Cloud but this is living way too dangerously for me. Hate putting patch settings on paper and hate having to manually copy patches into a backup amp. Wishing something shows up but I'm worried that this might not be in the cards since we're 6 months down the bumpy GT road.


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:15 pm
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MYREL Tech wrote:

But, the number one missing feature on my list is, and I can not believe this was omitted, there is no Backing up personal patches yet. Maybe I have to load them separately up somewhere in the Fender Cloud but this is living way too dangerously for me. Hate putting patch settings on paper and hate having to manually copy patches into a backup amp. Wishing something shows up but I'm worried that this might not be in the cards since we're 6 months down the bumpy GT road.

Absolutely! We end up spending cumulative hours and days on our collection of tones/presets. It is a drag to have to manually write them all down to be safe because some software engineers doesn't seem to think backing up is important. (Gee, a computer could never have a glitch and lose data, right?). Backing them up was SO EASY with the Mustang III. I tell this to the Fender reps every time I talk to them. WE WANT A NICE EASY PC EDITOR AND BACKUP UTILITY!! Even one that works with the built in WiFi would be great if we can't get a hardwired version. .


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:41 am
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Seriously they haven't addressed saving presets yet? I'm at a loss for words.


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:53 am
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oczad wrote:
I'd have preferred an assignable per patch graphic EQ...
Would your idea for this be similar to adding an "EQ Effect" to the list of effects? I'd like to see that.


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:09 pm
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Yes, either that or it could have it's own place in the menu like the global eq but with the ability to use one as a global and also make it assignable per patch. So the global one could be used as an overall global EQ to tune the room and each patch could have it's own assignable EQ. I have tried my EQ in the loop and the fact is it extends the model's ability to nail exactly what u want from it FAR FAR more so than the models own EQ and cab and other settings. You can literally get exactly what you want with an EQ.

Another issue as i have said over and over is the speaker, and another i haven't spoke of much but i know it's yet another flaw in the amp's tone is the cabinet. I've used 4 speakers in it and also used all 4 in other cabs using a cable i made to play the amp thru external cabs and w/o exception every speaker sounded much better thru other combo cabs, even a old small cheap $@! marshall 20 watt solid state combo cab from the 80's. The GT cab is not a good sounding one even tho it's well built with plywood. I can't figure out why but it's true. Thats why i have started using the amp with a external cab and the internal speaker which is now the same 8 ohm celestion model that the MIII came with and a 8 ohm EV in the ext cab. This gives me 2x12" at 4 ohms and improved the tone greatly.

So my assessment after months of experimentation with this thing is that if fender comes out with a V2, and i believe they will, they should dump that crappy speaker for a traditionially voiced one, build a better sounding cab, and add a assignable and global graphic EQ. If they do that and fix the damn footswitching they will have THE best modeling combo out there by far.


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:38 pm
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oczad wrote:
Another issue as i have said over and over is the speaker, and another i haven't spoke of much but i know it's yet another flaw in the amp's tone is the cabinet.

I would love to hear the story behind how Fender developed the GT series and how they "balanced" the development of a stereo 6.5 inch and a mono 12 inch and a stereo 12 inch that seems to be all run by the same (more or less) head. This seems like a really odd mix of sizes and speaker number.

Owning a GT 40, I have also wondered if in the GT 40 series if they used the Haas effect or other psychoacoustic effects to make the amp sound SO BIG. ... and if the Haas effect was used, how would the GT 100s (mono) would be affected. (again, this is just a guess that they use a psychoacoustic)

I have been watching your threads with the speaker swap. I am tempted to hack in an external output into my amp and test it on a few 8ohm mono cabs, just to see what happens.


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:41 am
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dervishmoose wrote:
oczad wrote:
Another issue as i have said over and over is the speaker, and another i haven't spoke of much but i know it's yet another flaw in the amp's tone is the cabinet.

I would love to hear the story behind how Fender developed the GT series and how they "balanced" the development of a stereo 6.5 inch and a mono 12 inch and a stereo 12 inch that seems to be all run by the same (more or less) head. This seems like a really odd mix of sizes and speaker number.

Owning a GT 40, I have also wondered if in the GT 40 series if they used the Haas effect or other psychoacoustic effects to make the amp sound SO BIG. ... and if the Haas effect was used, how would the GT 100s (mono) would be affected. (again, this is just a guess that they use a psychoacoustic)

I have been watching your threads with the speaker swap. I am tempted to hack in an external output into my amp and test it on a few 8ohm mono cabs, just to see what happens.


Both the GT 40 and GT 200 use the Hass effect, which empolys a very slight delay between left and right channels to give a sense of spaciousness. If overdone. it makes the sound lack focus and I remember some initial comments about this. Other amps that use this techneque, eg Vox, and some consumer 'boom boxes' allow it to be switched off.

Running your GT-40 amp into two 8 ohm speakers won't do any damage but remember that the amp has two channels of 40 watts into 4 ohms. Simple math will tell you that you will get 20 watts into 8 ohms. You will effectively halve the output.


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:49 am
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stratocaster1983 wrote:

Both the GT 40 and GT 200 use the Hass effect, which empolys a very slight delay between left and right channels to give a sense of spaciousness. If overdone. it makes the sound lack focus and I remember some initial comments about this. Other amps that use this techneque, eg Vox, and some consumer 'boom boxes' allow it to be switched off.


I knew it ! I Wasn't sure thats what it was not having played the 40 or 200, but from all the complaints i heard it sounded to me like thats what they used. I used to do that on live stereo rigs for a time and also with some of my recordings. But not only is it VERY easy to overdo, but even when kept to a minimum like 20ms, eventually i realized you pay for that spaciousness in several ways including as you mention loss of focus. I would never buy a stereo amp to begin with, but not in a million years buy one with that built in and no disable switch ! I find this incredibly foolish. No wonder all the complaints about sounding processed and directional and other such issues that can be directly related to that hass effect. I created some huge sounds live with it but eventually stopped because of those things. It's a gimmick IMO, and i sure as hell wouldn't want to be suck with a gimmick like that and i'm surprised fender would sell an amp like that w/o telling customers about that or as you said putting a disable switch in it. Crazy ! Such great modeling but so wrongly implemented in all the GT's in many ways IMO. What a waste. Loving my 100 as tone goes at least, but only after resolving the speaker issue, and still dealing with a switching system that's buggy as hell and lacks functionality. I just shake my head when i think about what these amp's could have been.


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Post subject: Re: Why not THIS change in the updates?
Posted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:45 pm
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stratocaster1983 wrote:
Both the GT 40 and GT 200 use the Hass effect


No, they don't, actually. What makes you state this, out of curiosity?

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