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Post subject: Setlist Feature.....why???
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:18 am
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Hi all,

Just a quick question, which is basically covered in the subject heading:

What exactly is the point of the Setlist feature?
Pro: I can gather all of my presets together in the correct order for a gig....Fantastic! :)
Con: You can only scroll through by physically doing so on the amp, which is really not viable in a live situation. :(

Is it really beyond the realms of possibility that Fender could have added a feature whereas you could select the Setlist feature & be able to scroll up or down using the MGT-4 footswitch?
Surely that would be an easy thing for Fender to do?

I know that somebody will reply about using banks, but in 1 specific song we do, there are 5 individual guitar sound changes, which doesn't work well with using banks which only hold 3 presets. Switching between banks mid song, as well as between the presets, is not the ideal situation live.

I am totally mindblown that Fender could not have incorporated this feature so that you could create your setlist, then allow you to use the 2 middle buttons on the MGT-4 to move up or down through the assigned presets in your created setlist!? :shock:

Is this a feature Fender could introduce in the near future, as it will expand our ease of live usage on the GT's 100 fold......& reading through some of the posts, one of the biggest complaints about the GT is it's limited usability in live situations!

Kind Regards

Andy


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Post subject: Re: Setlist Feature.....why???
Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2017 9:12 am
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I think the entire switching system on this amp is near worthless, not just the setlist thing. They built a fantastic sounding modeling engine but neglected everything else but tone. Even the tone itself while in there, was crippled by the speaker that was chosen more for the bluetooth streaming. the modeling engine is great, everything else is comedy at it's best. I can't even use what little switching it DOES have because it;s so buggy and freezes up and does other bizzare things that onstage would turn a music event into a comedy show.

I've been one of the GT's biggest proponents and defended it over and over here and elsewhere due to the great tone it is capable of. But even I am getting tired of the issues that i am beginning to think will never be righted. I'm sticking with it for now, but I'm pretty darn frustrated. Even the EXP1 expression pedal is buggy with it.


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Post subject: Re: Setlist Feature.....why???
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:38 am
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The Mustang GT range was NOT designed for live gigging, that's the essence of what Fenders boss said in an interview. It is aimed at HOME players specifically. Fender make many 'gigging' amplifiers, and yes, they cost considerably more. Why would they introduce a low cost amplifier that competed with their own 'professional products?

If you hadn't noticed, the Wi-Fi updating and Bluetooth streaming are virtually useless in a gigging amplfier, as is the lack of any 'ruggedising' like protective corners, strong covering and grille. These aspects all point to the fact that it is a 'light duty' amplifier.

The amp and speaker cabinet modelling has been optimised for low to medium volume levels. If you go above that, things can get nasty. It has been said that changing the speaker can help. I don't hear anything wrong with the stock speaker myself at living room levels.

I have a GT-100 which I play, at home, with two other musicians. One uses a Mustang V2 and the other a Rumble Bass amp. I have the 4-button footswich but have tossed it aside as useless. I have the volume pedal too, only used it once. For me, the taper was wrong to get a pedal-steel type swell effect. Have reverted to my Morley. But, the GT-100 itself, is nigh-on perfect in this situation. It is what it was designed for! I never have the Master volume past 10 o'clock and it's laid-back cosmetics don't look out of place in my living room.

I don't use the setlist feature. That may change with the next firmware update which is due shortly, which allows presets to be reordered but more importantly, the amp will boot into the state it was in when last switched off - hopefully, that includes, into my current set list but I could live with simply reordering the regular presets.


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Post subject: Re: Setlist Feature.....why???
Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:55 am
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stratocaster1983 wrote:
The Mustang GT range was NOT designed for live gigging, that's the essence of what Fenders boss said in an interview.


No disrespect, but i beg to differ. Whatever a particular fender employee may have told you, one of the first things it says on thier product page about the GT100 is "for stage and studio". But that aside, the old mustang series also has no corners and was gigged successfully by hoards of people. And while the GT's switching is crap by comparison, thats not a dealbreaker for gigging or else we wouldn't have seen decades of tube amp users gigging single channel tube amps. The GT is perfectly giggable in the literal sense, and tonally much more capable than the old line with a decent speaker in it at east Doable with the stock one but much much better with a typical guitar speaker. If you or someone else requires switching it cannot supply, that doesn't mean it isn't stage worthy, it makes it less stage worthy to that person the same way a single channel amp is a dealbreaker to a player who won't accept that over a channel switching amp for gigging. That doesn't mean a deluxe reverb or a twin of a single channel jcm800 for example isn't designed for the stage. You can define stage worthy yourself and if it doesn't meet your defination that makes it not stage worthy for you, not everyone. I have had mine apart and have also been in most every amp fender has made in the last 25 years working in a repair facility and i can tell you this....if the GT isn't reliable for gigging no SS amp made in the last 25 years is because the construction is actually some of the best i have seen in a fender non tube amp or most any SS amp/brand. That was actually surprising to me, but it is.

granted, a vintage tube amp will last a lot longer, but todays tube amps aside from point to point models that cost and arm and a leg are IMO LESS likely to hold up to gigging than the GT. The construction methods they use in many tube amps today that use PCB are NOT gig worthy if you feel the GT is considered so. I can't tell you how many of those needed repair for little things that are due to extremely unreliable design details. Those details are actually much better in the GT and some don;t exist at all like circuit board mounted tube sockets. I could tell you stories about some of them that would surprise you but i'll leave that out for obvious reasons. But there are tube amps considered giggable and are by many people that will fail 10 times for every GT that does, i guarantee it. So you can assign it the non stage worthy moniker if you wish, but thats only true if it doesn't meet your need be it real or imagined or assumed. But fenders page says what they designed it for in bold letters right at the start of thier description here... http://shop.fender.com/en-US/guitar-amp ... 00000.html


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