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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:08 am
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LucasDC030 wrote:

But alternative speakers already are voiced so why changing it even further with an extra layer of eq(cab sim)? The stock speaker of the gt is indeed a bad one and gives you the unpleasant harshness etc but the v1's speaker is more like a regular speaker. Recording with xlr of usb is unusable without cab sim but that is another story :)
It's simply that the overall voicing is NOT EQ'd for use with a FR system. It's that simple. The overall voicing of the mustangs is designed to work with what they are......combo amps with guitar speakers. It should be obvious that If they designed the overall voicing to work with a FR system they would sound like crap thru the typical guitar cabinet and speaker that has been what the mustangs used since day one.

The cab sims are designed to mimic the voicing of a given speaker/cab models THRU A TRADITIONAL GUITAR SPEAKER AND CAB. If thats not clear i dunno how else to explain it.


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:33 pm
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So sorry for my lack of knowledge on this situation as I have never even thought of speaker swapping any amp, tubes, yes, speakers not so much, this is also my first modeling amp so bare with me

when changing the speaker in the mustang gt, will you lose any of the functionality of the amp? like the modeling features I got confused by the posting on this so I was curious what the major changes would be sound wise and functionality wise when changing the speaker or would the amp function all the same just obviously sound different with the new speaker?


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:04 pm
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No, it will only affect tone and feel.

On a side note i put the celestion G12T-100 i had been using before i got the WGS ET90 back in and i think i may actually prefer it. I might sell the GS and see if i can find a 4 ohm G12T-100. The reason i bought the ET-90 in the first place is that celestion is 8 ohm and the amp is 4. So i thought i'd try the ET-90 instead of hunting down the somewhat rare 4 ohm G12T-100. But i was starting to feel the WGS is too smooth for my liking and put the celestion back in because it's a bit crunchier. Sure enough i think it suits me better, so i;m going to hunt down a 4 ohm version. And while i was at it i thought i'd try the stock speaker as a 2nd reality check, the first being a few weeks ago. Once again i was surprised i ever was even ok with it. Thin is the operative word.

By the way, don't go and take my advice on which speaker is best. It's personal preference and 100% subjective. I would however recommend to anyone to change the stock one out. I guess you can say thats subjective too, but barely. :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:35 am
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Fascinating oczad
How does the bottom end compare with the WGS?


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:58 am
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The Celestion G12T 4ohm is readily available in the UK for £69, which makes it a very low cost Celestion speaker. It looks suspiciously like the G12FDS, same shape, same colour. Nevertheless, have you considered getting a second cabinet to go under the GT-100 and putting 50 watt, 8ohm speakers in both, in series. That gives a load of 4ohms and would move a lot more air.


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:00 am
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nebrewer wrote:
Fascinating oczad
How does the bottom end compare with the WGS?


You mean the G12T? It seems as tho there's slightly more with the WGS but i think it;s really a case of the G12T having more top end. So there's an "apparent" slight low end advantage with the WGS, plus it;s a bit tighter than the G12T. But the G12T just sounds and feels a but more like a traditional guitar sound. The best way i can explain it is to say It just feels and sounds "right". But it's not like the WGS is bad by any means, thats just the way it feels to me. I'm super anal about tone in the way it works for ME and MY personal needs, and i think the G12T just fits that mold better.


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 7:06 am
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stratocaster1983 wrote:
The Celestion G12T 4ohm is readily available in the UK for £69, which makes it a very low cost Celestion speaker. It looks suspiciously like the G12FDS, same shape, same colour. Nevertheless, have you considered getting a second cabinet to go under the GT-100 and putting 50 watt, 8ohm speakers in both, in series. That gives a load of 4ohms and would move a lot more air.


Yes, i know but there are a few reasons i don't want to do that. For one, It's now called the hot 100 and even tho they say it's the same speaker, i have been there and done that a million times with all sorts of products and nearly every time something just isn't quite the same. That very likely is NOT the case here, but i'm not taking any chances. Second, i want one thats broken in. And last, i want to spend less. I'm already likely to lose $50 on the WGS so I wanna cut my losses.

As to the second 8 ohm one, i did think about that but it's just not what i really want. And as too them looking like the stock...NOOOOOOOO!!! Trust me, they could not sound more different. And according to celestion when i asked about the speaker in a email, they said it was basically a seventy/80 built for fender to a 100 watt spec. So a beefier seventy/80. The seventy/80 is a speaker that's gotten horrible reviews all across the internet and is said to be as i noted in between a traditional speaker and a FR speaker. I think celestion has even said or suggested that.


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:39 am
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Here is my speaker upgrade, and it doesn't sound any different ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:55 am
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Nice ! I was thinking of doing that very same thing too, assuming i keep the amp which is always going to be somewhat up in the air till i see what updates bring. But if i did i'd like to somehow do it like the old mustang where the top couple inches is tolex covered. But there are many things that may well stop me from doing that such as the likely inability to find the same tolex as the rest of the amp. And yes, i know it's not actually tolex but whatever u wanna call it.....vinyl covering, etc.


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 5:46 pm
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so if I am looking for a more low end tight sound on the high gain patches to make them sound as tubbed and tight as possible but still keeping the fender pristine cleans which speaker brand and ohm should be considered the top choices? I seen a lot of names thrown around and ive never swapped speakers on any amp as mentioned tubes ive swapped not speaker so this peaks my interest to see if swapping the stock gt100 speaker for something else will really add a lot of tone and just overall crunchier tighter high gain sound with a nice clean fender sounds I like a tight low end on cleans and distortion really fender amps an my ts9 usually already have plenty of mids help. So top brands watts and ohms for me to research? and how much are install and these speakers usually running idk if I would trust my hands to do it correctly even if it is simple. Im tech savy just paranoid to screw up something,


Adding the extra speaker cab might be a good idea but couldn't I theory run like a tiny terror head into that speaker correct? I really do love the fender mustang gt amps im trying to keep it in my rig even playing with it on a "professional" standard maybe not for your stadiums or big theatres but more like any bar with a PA, and up to medium venues and even outside as long as there is a solid PA this amp can hold it own against a lot more expensive amp, I love having the versatility and its amazing to use for practice and shows with headphones jam tracks all that makes it amazing it the switch army knife of amps, I will always love tubed amps but I am not such a stickler that I hate immediately I will say this amp takes a lot of tweeking to get what you want some nights has been nothing but tweeking stuff in a way I like that tho, I will prob eventually get a decent combo amp to use for my higher gain stuff down the road, but after you are use to the stang its hard to let go of. Like getting an orange would be great for the high gain but I lose those fender cleans, and this amp does an better job then a kemper does at twin with a speaker swap, maybe this amp is worthy of being a long term amp.

I honestly cant think of another amp I would even want Im so use to the versatility haha if firmware updates holdup and keep this amp growing i can see me making this amp a full time amp along side another combo. But after you had fender cleans its like nothing else even compares and even have a players deluxe strat so i love that patch of the GTs, maybe the speaker swap will get the higher gain patches to sound more authentic at high level and more tight. A list of quality speakers and the correct ohm an wattage level i would need to look for would be much appreciated. Ive read all the comments but i still would just like anyone elses inputs of what speakers had what to offer. It sounds like a speaker swap would make a night and day difference with this amp for the most part a?


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 6:14 pm
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I can't tell you. I really don't know. Just have to research speakers and see if you can find something that seems to be up your alley. Unfortunately going by other's opinions is usually no better then tossing a coin because each persons wants and needs differ from a little to a lot, and what makes it worse is each person reads a description and hears the described tone different than the next person. Your best bet is to describe what the stock one does that you don't like. You might also consider a EQ in the loop as a strat. that might even be enough for you. For me it;s even more about feel than tone because tone can be changed with EQ, feel not so much. The stock feels stiff and hard to me. The G12T-100 feels more natural to me.


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:11 pm
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are you referring to running an eq pedal into the effects loop? that may be a strong option. I think with all these ways to beef the amp up along with hopefully solid firmware updates overtime this amp can be relied on to gig with easily. I may end up adding an orange combo to the mix or maybe peavy6505 if the speaker doesn't help wth higher gain stuff. I actually think the stock speaker even sounds good with fender clean patches and some mod pedals an dialed in right so a good speaker sounds like a must do regardless if i want to rely on the amp to gig with steadily and it deliver. I think this amp if all goes well could be a steal looking ahead to the future at the very least you get a 100 to 200 watt amp that does the fender patches nearly as good as the actual amp, for the price you could afford another combo and use the fender and dirty distortion for blues and then another combo for the heavier stuff.

I am wondering about your suggestion of getting another speaker and cab along with replacing the stock one in the stang gt and getting a tiny terror to run to the second speaker by itself an just use that as a distortion channel. You think that would be a valuable cheaper option?

I am basically just wanting a tighter low end sound and for the higher gain amp presets to sound less digital when turned up, i would like it to keep that low end tight compressed crunch when the volume is cranked in the mix of the band and something that doesn't make the mids and highs harsh an squeeling but tight compressed an crunchy i love palm muting and like really clean tightish sounds. if that helps anyone to give me a couple brand names of speakers i may like or what site sells them. The WGS ET90 sounds like it might be a solid one to go with from the reviews here.


it def sounds like regardless a speaker upgrade is going to make a very positive effect right away on the mustang and i should upgrade if i want to make this amp sound better. From the reviews i think this may be the missing link for me personally, i think the amp is so close right now and falls short with the distortion low end tight punch part of things if a speaker can add crunch low end compression and a more powerful sound and tone the sign me up. it doesn't seem to expensive to try out and it def seems like its worth the money to upgrade. THe longer i make the mustang last as a gigging amp the closer i get to another guitar that is much needed to get added to my collection. I just have the one strat players deluxe i need my les paul an humbuckers and im set!


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:45 pm
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Yes, a EQ in the loop. Thats how i solved my MIII band level issues and i will probably try it with the GT unless the G12T-100 turns out to be perfect. It solves most EQ related tone issues but there are characteristics that go beyond EQ, and thats where speaker swaps are valuable. Get yourself a danelectro fish and chips EQ. They can be had for about $30 shipped on ebay and are better then the MXR and boss EQ's i've used for years. Much quieter and mine has lasted me about 15-20 years now. Put it in the loop and see what it does for you, and if you still feel a different speaker is the way to go it's still come in handy.


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:49 pm
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That sounds like a smart choice, out of the eq pedal and the speaker which one was the most beneficial to upgrading the sound of the amp? The Eq pedal really seems interesting do they really give you a lot of control for that cheap of a price? I need to jump of that now then I've thought eq pedal awhile ago but I never thought they worked the greatest or were a must have... if they can impact the sound quality that much I need to get it... did the eq pedal really help even the stock speaker sound better?


When you mentioned before about getting a seperate speaker then getting a cab for it to run under the mustang gt, would that sound solid with a tiny terror head or something like that and have that speaker An head be my distortion channel An then use the stang for everything else


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Post subject: Re: Speaker Upgrade experience
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:39 pm
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It's a EQ pedal, they all give great control. It'll definately allow you to improve the stock speaker. Whether to a great enough degree to be happy with it, i dunno because i'm not you. Personally when a speaker is that far out of range from MY PERSONAL target tone i wouldn't want to fix it with a EQ alone even if it does the job. The amp needs to work well w/o one and only need one to correct imperfections to YOUR tastes. If you are pretty happy with the amp as is as you seem to be, i;d suggest the EQ, then later a speaker if you need that. I said it before and even asked for it in the next gen of mustangs before the GT appeared, they should put a assignable graphic EQ in the thing. It would have been the fix for the majority of people who aren't happy enough with the amp. But of course they didn't. That would have been a lot better then an outboard because you could set it different for each patch as necassary and fine tune every preset to perfection. Best thing the could have done for the GT, but all we got were those global settings which i have found just don't cut it because they are infinitely less configurable than a graphic.
So yeah, because you seem pretty happy already I'd suggest getting the EQ then if you still find the amp lacking in some way then look to speakers.


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