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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:17 am
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Bluetooth.....isn't that what music players are for? The speaker they put in my GT100 was chosen as compromise between guitar tone and bluetooth music streaming. I just put a new speaker in it, a real guitar speaker and while the tone was good before it's far better and more guitar like now. In short, when did guitar amps become media entertainment centers? If thats what you want then great, but why buy a GT ?


Well, I got the GT40 and it was advertised as practice amp. Having a playback without guitar on the phone and play it through the GT40 and practise guitar. Or just running my composer software with drums and bass and synth and try out guitar licks. So I am happy that there is a decent monitor sound from the GT40 and that I can stream audio. (My Roland Cube sounded awful with drums or synths going through).

For serious studio or live jobs I got other amps which are made for just that. About 15x of price tag, though.


The Mustang GT range is clearly marketed at the 'home player' market – and ones who have aspirations to play live. My previous modelling amp was a Line 6 Spider Jam, which was pitched at exactly the same market. It has built-in drum loops, backing tracks and can play MP3s from an SD card. It too has a full range speaker system but can also handle microphone, keyboards, acoustic and bass guitar.

Having Bluetooth streaming bypasses all these 'backing' possibilities, although I still prefer to use the AUX in as Bluetooth has all the 'pairing' hassle and is still not as reliable as a cable.

My GT-100 beats the Spider Jam on tone by 500%. It is gathering dust now.

I use the AUX in for my BeatBuddy, Trio Band Creator, Roland BK-7m and acoustic guitar (with a Fishman preamp). These would not work well with a guitar speaker.

I definitely would not want a guitar speaker in there as stock. The GT range is what it is. If you want a gigging guitar amp, there are plenty of others to choose from.

I choose the GT-100 because I also play with other musicians. The GT-200 (which is only very marginally louder than the GT-100) is not a gigging amp despite the '200' naming. The stereo effect is totally lost from a few yards away. It is a loud practice amp that could be used in small venues at a pinch. It should be possible to run the two 100 watt amps in 'bridged' mode to get the full 200 watts output but that would need a speaker change to get the correct impedance.


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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:50 am
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For me, the fender mistake was selling/developing the GT's100/200 the same way as the 40.
When I bought the 40, I wanted a guitar/bass/all media amp, and it delivered. I took it on vacation and it did chill out background music and nice guitar chords at sunset. Added a mixer to aux in and it's a living room low level band practice amp, it's getting much more use than I initially thought.
I think when you go for the 100/200 you go for the guitar amp first.
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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:07 pm
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I agree and have said the exact same thing several times. In fact, i see no reason to have made anything but the 40 if they wanted a all media amp as you called it. They should have made the 100/200 the same as the old mustang MIII and MIV. No bluetooth, regular guitar speakers, etc.

danielblues wrote:
For me, the fender mistake was selling/developing the GT's100/200 the same way as the 40.
When I brought the 40, I wanted a guitar/bass/all media amp, and it delivered. I took it on vacation and it did chill out background music and nice guitar chords at sunset. Added a mixer to aux in and it's a living room low level band practice amp, it's getting much more use than I initially thought.
I think when you go for the 100/200 you go for the guitar amp first.
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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:51 pm
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I recently acquired a used 2008 Gibson Custom Shop ES-339, the handiest amp I had access to was the Mustang GT100 , and I just used the stock '64 Deluxe preset with master vol midway up( "noon") and Gain 3/4" of the way up ( 3:00 o-clock), and actually had a pleasurable 1 hour experience trying out my new guitar. There is hope for these amps
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index. ... ic=20910.0


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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 9:53 am
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I am only an amateur guitar player but the GT100 was exact the amp I was looking for. The GT40 would have done too but I thought maybe I could use a little bit more power when playing in a band in the future.

I was looking for an amp WITH all these "gimmicks" and I would not have bought it without. I love to play around with the features and the Tone app and I make more music with the GT100 than I had made with any other amp in the past.
This is because I like having fun when making music (I am keyboarder origanally). I like tinkering around with sounds and I love to have a lot of different options to do so. I also love the possibility to play or stream backing tracks via the amp directly.
The GT100 sounds - in my amateur ears - very good. And I don't think the guitar sound is compromised by the audio-ability of the speaker.

OK, it was not very clever of Fender to release the amp before the most significant bugs of the apps were not fixed. BUT I see updates on a regular basis and are hopeful that we will see more of them maybe with additional features in the future.


So I wonder why some people keep complaining especially about the quality of the speaker or so. The GT100 is sold here in Germany for about 400 Euros. So it is a cheap amp - compared to pro-equipment.

I think no professional musician who has gigs every evening will go on tour with an 400-Euro amp. And the others should not complain OR go and by themselves a pro amp for 2000 Dollars with "good" speakers and without any "gimmicks". But why buy a cheap one and then start complaining? :roll:


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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:44 pm
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Well, if you're only an amateur how can you make that statement? Itls like giving advice to parents on how to raise thier kids when u have none. I'm retired from it for the most part it but i spent many years playing part time professionally doing all sorts of gigs and i can tell you right now, that stock speaker is NOT good at stage volume. It has the amp sounding like what many think it is....a home practice amp for amateurs. But with the right speaker it's not at all, and in fact sounds far better then the MIII i gigged a number of times.

In fact i have compared them directly putting the stock in it and the WGS ET-90 i use now and comparing them within minutes and the difference would make you eat your words. Stock=thin/harsh with no mids/body. WGS ET90 or any other good guitar speaker=NONE of what i described with the stock. If you don't gig the thing the stock is fine, and by your description you don't. It actually isn't bad at all at bedroom volume. But soon after you turn it past that it continues to get worse and worse. I've only used it in the band a few times so far but thats what made me start playing with speakers. And yes, few people will go on tour with it. But how many musicians don't tour but play locally all the time, bar gigs etc? It's absolutly fine for that. And in fact if you bring a spare you COULD tour with it. Not that you shouldn't have a spare regardless of the type and price range of amp you tour with.

In short, having spent many years doing it i know for a fact this amp is fully capable of being a great stage amp with the right speaker. But if you think that FR speaker works best for this amp you're looking at it from only the POV of low volume practice, and thats just part of the picture. I also find the WGS sounds better low. You just have to tweak the amp for whichever speaker you use.

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I am only an amateur guitar player but the GT100 was exact the amp I was looking for. The GT40 would have done too but I thought maybe I could use a little bit more power when playing in a band in the future.

I was looking for an amp WITH all these "gimmicks" and I would not have bought it without. I love to play around with the features and the Tone app and I make more music with the GT100 than I had made with any other amp in the past.
This is because I like having fun when making music (I am keyboarder origanally). I like tinkering around with sounds and I love to have a lot of different options to do so. I also love the possibility to play or stream backing tracks via the amp directly.
The GT100 sounds - in my amateur ears - very good. And I don't think the guitar sound is compromised by the audio-ability of the speaker.

OK, it was not very clever of Fender to release the amp before the most significant bugs of the apps were not fixed. BUT I see updates on a regular basis and are hopeful that we will see more of them maybe with additional features in the future.


So I wonder why some people keep complaining especially about the quality of the speaker or so. The GT100 is sold here in Germany for about 400 Euros. So it is a cheap amp - compared to pro-equipment.

I think no professional musician who has gigs every evening will go on tour with an 400-Euro amp. And the others should not complain OR go and by themselves a pro amp for 2000 Dollars with "good" speakers and without any "gimmicks". But why buy a cheap one and then start complaining? :roll:


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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:08 am
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A few years ago, I used to play in a live band with a 30 watt Peavey Classic. It was a great little amp. Then I bought a 70 watt Line 6 Spider Jam, an earlier generation modelling amp. It sounded great at home but when I took it out to a gig instead of my Peavey, all the tones were wrong. Nothing like what I heard at home. There was too much treble and bass. The sound was thin. So, I worked on a set of 'performance' presets which dialled back the trable and bass and boosted the mids. Having done that, the amp sounded much better live, but not so good at home. I ended up with two versions of each preset – 'Home' and 'Live'. Modelling amps should do this automatically, the modelling should be dynamic depending on the loundness. I don't know of one that does this.

If you find your Master control creeping up to the 12 o'clock position or beyond, consider making a new set of presets with less extremes and more mids. It will sound more like a guitar amp OR you could try the Global EQ settings 'Guitar Focus 1' and 'Guitar Focus 2' which will take you in the right direction.


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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:27 am
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Well, if you're only an amateur how can you make that statement? Itls like giving advice to parents on how to raise thier kids when u have none. I'm retired from it for the most part it but i spent many years playing part time professionally doing all sorts of gigs and i can tell you right now, that stock speaker is NOT good at stage volume. It has the amp sounding like what many think it is....a home practice amp for amateurs. But with the right speaker it's not at all, and in fact sounds far better then the MIII i gigged a number of times.

In fact i have compared them directly putting the stock in it and the WGS ET-90 i use now and comparing them within minutes and the difference would make you eat your words. Stock=thin/harsh with no mids/body. WGS ET90 or any other good guitar speaker=NONE of what i described with the stock.


Fair enough to say that I have not much experience with guitar amps. But I said that I am an amateur guitar player not an amateur musician. So let's say it is my experience as a keyboard player only, that makes me wonder why one would buy an amp whose sound he does not like, only to exchange the speaker and complain about the orginal one afterwards.


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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2017 6:57 am
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Frank777 wrote:

Fair enough to say that I have not much experience with guitar amps. But I said that I am an amateur guitar player not an amateur musician. So let's say it is my experience as a keyboard player only, that makes me wonder why one would buy an amp whose sound he does not like, only to exchange the speaker and complain about the original one afterwards.


Very simple. Do u read many guitar forums? If you did you'd know that trying different speakers in all sorts of amps, trying different pickups in all sorts of guitars, different hardware, etc etc, is so common posts about these things take up a huge portion of forum topics. Look at seymour duncan pickups. Look at dimarzio. Look at celestion speakers, eminence, etc etc etc. They all have a huge selection of models and are all very successful companies who's success is in large part and in some cases almost all is based on retail sales. Even boutique speakers and pickups have sprung up in huge numbers in recent years.

The point is this is not only common but there IS a reason that you're missing....if you can improve something greatly why is this not a viable option? What if you can improve it enough that the result is better to you than the other amps in the same range/category? What it it becomes WAY better? So i paid $100 more, but you know what.....i'm so happy with the tone now that theres nothing on the market i have tried that comes close to it to my ear. I haven't played them all but the few i did i didn't like at all. The katana that many like i felt was one of the worse sounding amp's i have played. But the thing is, i knew almost from the start GT;s modeling was fantastic. Like i said, even at low volume it sounded good with the stock speaker but i could tell there was something not quite there and i suspected the speaker thru a lot of years of experience, and then i turned it up that's where i was quite sure. Trying the speaker from my old mustang in the GT at louder levels confirmed it, especially in a band context.

So if you can take an amp that you know is great and you love it basically but you know it is being stifled by one of it's parts that is easily replaceable and you're good with the extra $ spent. why WOULDN'T you? That's why theres an endless stream of people doing exactly the same with guitar and amps to the point the companies making the parts are thriving. The reason you question it is you're new to all this apparently and aren't familiar with what can be accomplished by swapping parts. Guitar pickups are especially modded by probably the majority of players. Take my finder vintage reissues for example. They are the MIM versions and cost almost 1/3 of the american versions. But i like the MIM versions better due to the finish (hate the USA's nitro) and neck size. But i can't stand the pickups. Answer.....$100 set of pickups of my choice and now i'm so satisfied with them I've had the same ones for years with now desire to switch. I have yet to own a electric guitar i have been that satisfied with, and i have owned literally in the 100's since the early 70's.

So the i pose in answer to yours is why WOULDN'T you? If it can accomplish making a piece of gear just what you want and there's no other gear you have tried or know of that you're sure you'd prefer, this is the way to get what you want. So again, you can question it and thats ok. But you seem to have assumed w/o any experience in the area that it's foolish, hence my long answer. Hope that helps.


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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 6:05 pm
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So have any of you GTs owners on here gigging used the amp and howd it go? Im doing the bar scene right now some decent venue Im amature to the gigging world but I def know why stuff I just haven't played much else but bar scene and few small festival slots. I bought the Mustang to gig with in these shows one cuz the price and sound, I saved money buying a Mustang Vs a Twin Reverb reissue let say for example and was able to get more gear I needed. Now with the functionality being such a problem and with my band doing more gigs Im a little sketchy I did one show with it, and it didn't do bad, much like someone else posted I think I learned just recently to have Live preset settings and at home setting make duplicates and adjust accordingly Im learning that in rehearsals. Im wondering should I continue with the amp or move on. I love having the option to go from Fender cleans to British Orange amp distortion sound its very fun. Its like a taste what it would be like to afford any head cab combo like the pros. I am deterred by the functionality of the app, half the reason I got it was all the effects I am in an improv band so all those effects stacking in the chain can be awesome but with the tone app being so jumpy and glitch idk if I can trust. it

I think like someone else mentioned bar shows and small gigs this amp will be fine, I may even keep it as a backup amp, but I am wondering can I trust it much longer. if anyone has swapped the speaker in the Mustang Gt, what did you switch it to speaker wise? and how much did it help? I am a tubed amp lover and if my band keeps making ground I am sure I will make the switch back to a FTRR or something of that nature. But I have always thought the Mustang gt replicates the Fender amps amazingly a Buddy who owned a kemper thought the mustang nailed the fender amps and some of the others better than it.

I wish this amp would get it figured out cuz it could be such a badass amp, I hate the footswitch being so small too. With all those pedals and an app that doesn't work how can we use more then a few effects at a time in out chain! GGGRRRRR this amp could be so great if the right adjustments were made. Im stuck on whether to keep it and trust the updates or cash it in while I can an move on!

maybe the speaker swap is worth a try


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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2017 7:07 pm
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Not going to get too deep into it, as i have posted a lot about the speaker on several forums. But i switched to a WGS ET-90 and the difference is huge at stage volume. Theres absolutely no comparison. At bedroom volumes the stock speaker is fine But if u r gonna gig it, definately get a good speaker because the stock one is chosen to make the bluetooth music streaming feature sound good and compromises guitar tone more and more the further you turn up. If you like harsh tinny tone it's good, but i don't know too many people that do ! 2 others at TGP followed my advice and got the same WGS speaker and both agreed it's a very worthwhile improvement. I personally find it an absolute must for any volume over home TV listening levels.


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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:50 pm
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So did swapping the speaker also help with tone an all that or just volume?


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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:30 am
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Put 'er in reverse, an re-read oczads post, with a little less whiskey this time :lol:
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Post subject: Re: New Coke. Pontiac Aztec. Fender Mustang GT.
Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:40 am
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Yeah, you misread apparently. What i said was the tone is greatly improved at stage volume. Or any volume past love bedroom or TV volume.


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