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Post subject: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:19 am
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For all you GT owners who think the amp sounds distant or "like a recording", try turning the cab models off, and the sound will jump out at you more like you're used to from a non-modeling amp, whether tube or solid state. After all, why would you want to send a guitar speaker the output from a guitar speaker sim? Whenever I used a POD or similar device with an amp, I always turned off the speaker sim. I only used it for direct recording or with headphones.


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:47 am
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DougMen wrote:
After all, why would you want to send a guitar speaker the output from a guitar speaker sim?


The point you seem to be missing is that the GT speaker is NOT a guitar speaker. It is a wide frequency range speaker, not quite full range like a PA, but the purpose of the amp sim is to narrow down the frequency response of that speaker to that of the modeled cabinet, which is nowhere near as wide range. It is effectively throwing away the frequencies that the real cabinet could not possibly handle - and these are different for each cabinet. Turning off the cab sim is like putting your guitar into your PA system. It is not the same as putting your POD into a regular guitar amp which already has a guitar speaker and cabinet. Ice picks, anyone?


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:56 am
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stratocaster1983 wrote:
DougMen wrote:
After all, why would you want to send a guitar speaker the output from a guitar speaker sim?


The point you seem to be missing is that the GT speaker is NOT a guitar speaker. It is a wide frequency range speaker, not quite full range like a PA, but the purpose of the amp sim is to narrow down the frequency response of that speaker to that of the modeled cabinet, which is nowhere near as wide range. It is effectively throwing away the frequencies that the real cabinet could not possibly handle - and these are different for each cabinet. Turning off the cab sim is like putting your guitar into your PA system. It is not the same as putting your POD into a regular guitar amp which already has a guitar speaker and cabinet. Ice picks, anyone?

It's not ice pick at all. My GT40 sounds great with the cab models off, and with them on. But as I said in my original post, it does make the sound jump out at you more with it off. Don't make assumptions without trying it.


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:11 am
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Don't make assumptions that I haven't tried it, hence the ice pick remark. Too much high frequency and not enough mid. The only success I've had by turning off the cab sim is with acoustic guitar.


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:15 am
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Yeah, i've tried it too. The tone is literally, and i mean LITERALLY unusable and ice pick city. How the OP is getting a good sound like that is so far beyond me there are no words. I even tried turning the global EQ to bright cut and lowereing highs in the model and even if you can get the highs down to a usable level the tone is so horribe it's like plugging your guitar into a distortion pedal then tight into a PA. To say i'm puzzled is a monumental understatement, if thats not already apparent ! The only reason for that feature is if you intend to use it with outboard IR's. And by the way, if you set things right it sounds nothing like a recording.

Not to be insulting, but can i ask you (the op) if you are a beginner? I really don't mean to sound insulting but i know that beginners are capable of hearing something like that and thinking it's a usable sound, but i know of no one of any experience that would. Maybe that's the reason here? I know it's not politically correct to ask such things but besides the fact i despise political correctness, i really AM extremely puzzled as to how you could think this sounds even usable let alone good.


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:54 am
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oczad wrote:
The tone is literally, and i mean LITERALLY unusable

No, you mean figuratively. Literally unusable means it cannot be used, like for example if the tone was outside hearing and recording range. That's not the case.


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:45 am
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arth1 wrote:
oczad wrote:
The tone is literally, and i mean LITERALLY unusable

No, you mean figuratively. Literally unusable means it cannot be used, like for example if the tone was outside hearing and recording range. That's not the case.


Geez, if i said the sky is blue you'd tell me it's not, it only looks that way and go on to explain why. I get that your only reason to answer my posts is to say the opposite of what i do, i just don't get how that brings you pleasure. And it IS LITERALLY unusable the same way a car with no tires WILL move on just the rims. So what? So it moves, that to me is still LITERALLY unusable. Thats how usable the GT with sims off is IMO. You find me one person who drives a car on the rims by choice and i will grant your response to have even a remote reason to exist. If semantics are the only way you can debate my posts and be able to oppose me, that's pretty sad. Why don't you find ways to make more constructive use of your keyboard?


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:31 am
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oczad wrote:
Geez, if i said the sky is blue you'd tell me it's not, it only looks that way and go on to explain why. I get that your only reason to answer my posts is to say the opposite of what i do, i just don't get how that brings you pleasure. And it IS LITERALLY unusable the same way a car with no tires WILL move on just the rims. So what? So it moves, that to me is still LITERALLY unusable. Thats how usable the GT with sims off is IMO. You find me one person who drives a car on the rims by choice and i will grant your response to have even a remote reason to exist. If semantics are the only way you can debate my posts and be able to oppose me, that's pretty sad.

Don't flatter yourself. This had nothing to do with you; I would have made the same comment to anyone who said the same. If someone just used "literally" to mean "figuratively", "virtually" or "practically", I would probably have let it slip, but when qualifying it with "and I mean LITERALLY", it's clear that the person doesn't understand what the word means but claims to do so. Your car example is doubling down on this.

In case there was any doubt: Literally means you want to emphasize that it's fact and not hyperbole or opinion. If someone is literally dead, they are actually dead, with no room for doubt, not "like dead". Hearse, not paramedic.
If someone tells me that a string has "literally and I mean LITERALLY" cut through the nut, I tells me that the nut is in two pieces, and there's quite likely neck damage and an expensive repair, not just a nut replacement. If someone tells me their guitar is "literally and I mean LITERALLY" impossible to tune, I can assume that at least one tuner doesn't move and will present a quote accordingly. They go out of their way (figuratively, not literally) to make it explicitly clear that they do not mean virtually.

oczad wrote:
Why don't you find ways to make more constructive use of your keyboard?

Preventing future misunderstandings seems constructive to me.


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:45 am
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If there is a need for people who can make a mountain out of a mole hill, i think you missed your calling. Oh wait....

normal person: Wow it's so hot today you could cook a pork roast in the shade !

arth1: actually that wouldn't be possible because if it were hot enough to do that you'd be dead so you wouldn't be here to try it.

Do you ever just discuss things w/o being so literal and clinical that people just stare at you with a puzzled look? Are you by chance a robot? Record yourself then listen back. (first remove all sharp objects, guns or any other device that could be used for suicide from the room)

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oczad wrote:
Geez, if i said the sky is blue you'd tell me it's not, it only looks that way and go on to explain why. I get that your only reason to answer my posts is to say the opposite of what i do, i just don't get how that brings you pleasure. And it IS LITERALLY unusable the same way a car with no tires WILL move on just the rims. So what? So it moves, that to me is still LITERALLY unusable. Thats how usable the GT with sims off is IMO. You find me one person who drives a car on the rims by choice and i will grant your response to have even a remote reason to exist. If semantics are the only way you can debate my posts and be able to oppose me, that's pretty sad.

Don't flatter yourself. This had nothing to do with you; I would have made the same comment to anyone who said the same. If someone just used "literally" to mean "figuratively", "virtually" or "practically", I would probably have let it slip, but when qualifying it with "and I mean LITERALLY", it's clear that the person doesn't understand what the word means but claims to do so. Your car example is doubling down on this.

In case there was any doubt: Literally means you want to emphasize that it's fact and not hyperbole or opinion. If someone is literally dead, they are actually dead, with no room for doubt, not "like dead". Hearse, not paramedic.
If someone tells me that a string has "literally and I mean LITERALLY" cut through the nut, I tells me that the nut is in two pieces, and there's quite likely neck damage and an expensive repair, not just a nut replacement. If someone tells me their guitar is "literally and I mean LITERALLY" impossible to tune, I can assume that at least one tuner doesn't move and will present a quote accordingly. They go out of their way (figuratively, not literally) to make it explicitly clear that they do not mean virtually.

oczad wrote:
Why don't you find ways to make more constructive use of your keyboard?

Preventing future misunderstandings seems constructive to me.


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:06 am
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oczad wrote:
normal person: Wow it's so hot today you could cook a pork roast in the shade !

arth1: actually that wouldn't be possible because if it were hot enough to do that you'd be dead so you wouldn't be here to try it.


First of all, insinuating that someone is not normal is ad hominem.

And no, that is hyperbole and is quite fine. It's a natural part of the language. But the word "literally" explicitly says that what follows is not hyperbole, but literal truth. If someone said that it was so hot that they could "literally and I mean LITERALLY" cook a pork rost in the shade, I would assume it meant they put the grill in the shade because it was so hot.

(Never mind that you can cook a pork roast in temperatures where you won't die. A sauna is an example of where you can cook a pork roast, yet survive sitting next to it, because unlike poor Porky, your sweat glands still work. That, on the other ham, is just trivia.)


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:24 am
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Case closed.

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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:07 am
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oczad wrote:
I even tried turning the global EQ to bright cut and lowereing highs in the model


Quick question, the last firmware (June 27) added two new EQ settings Guitar Focus 1 and Guitar Focus 2, do these help fix the problem you are hearing?

I have been using Guitar Focus 2 and it feels much more in your face.

I have not seen anyone reference these new EQ settings as good or bad, or as an improvement or junk.


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:22 am
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dervishmoose wrote:
oczad wrote:
I even tried turning the global EQ to bright cut and lowereing highs in the model


Quick question, the last firmware (June 27) added two new EQ settings Guitar Focus 1 and Guitar Focus 2, do these help fix the problem you are hearing?

You mean the sound with the cab sims off? No. But thats not an issue, its just the way they designed it, to be used with the sims. Besides, if anything those settings would make it much worse because w/o the cabs the tone is painfully thin and bright and those would just make it even worse. I use the cabs so it's not an issue. Not sure what u r asking actually.


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 1:12 pm
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Oh, sorry. I think I misunderstood what you were saying / asking. I thought you were complaining about the muffled and dull boxiness of the amp, that I have seen being talked about in other forums.

I realize we are talking about "tone" and beautiful tone is in the ear of the listener, but I am wondering if there was a manufacturing change in the first few weeks of production. Most of the initial reviews talk about how muffled and dull the amp sounds. I have never thought that of the sound that comes out of my amp.


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Post subject: Re: Try turning cab models off
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 2:04 pm
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It IS capable of sounding muffled, but those who complained about that aren't capable of adjusting it so it isn't.


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